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		<title>By: Rich Now Ruling By Taxing Poor « Some of Patrice Ayme’s Thoughts</title>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess, Chris you agree with me. Please read calmly first, &amp; you will discover that. Now for the Deutschland Uber Alles: no need, we have been through that before.
The Germans and French were the first to violate the 3% rule when it suited them. Now Greece cheated with Goldman Sachs, so issue warrants of arrest...
If the euro fails, you will suffer a huge loss of wealth and sovereingty, even in Germany. Of these things, war are made. especially when it will become clearer where the failure came from, namely the 450 trillion debt derivative terror machine.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess, Chris you agree with me. Please read calmly first, &amp; you will discover that. Now for the Deutschland Uber Alles: no need, we have been through that before.<br />
The Germans and French were the first to violate the 3% rule when it suited them. Now Greece cheated with Goldman Sachs, so issue warrants of arrest&#8230;<br />
If the euro fails, you will suffer a huge loss of wealth and sovereingty, even in Germany. Of these things, war are made. especially when it will become clearer where the failure came from, namely the 450 trillion debt derivative terror machine.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Snuggs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Snuggs Sorry - I for one DON&#039;T WANT money printing. It is compounding the folly of the last two decades. We want REAL, DURABLE VALUES. Getting out of jail by printing money is DISGUSTING and a betrayal of the plebs, whose pitiful savings will be d...estroyed by money-printing. In addition, the euro will fall in value, only being sustained NOW because Germans REFUSE to do the cheap, easy and above all STUPID THING.If Germans reveals itself to be just as feckless as all the rest, we&#039;re doomed.

SO WHAT if the euro fails. That&#039;s what it DESERVES. It is a NONSENSE with such differing economies in it. ALL ECONOMISTS SAY SO, but the plebs are being sacrified on the altar of the UNMANDATED OBSESSION of the European Superstaters.

They can go to hell, and I hope the Germans stand fast.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Snuggs Sorry &#8211; I for one DON&#8217;T WANT money printing. It is compounding the folly of the last two decades. We want REAL, DURABLE VALUES. Getting out of jail by printing money is DISGUSTING and a betrayal of the plebs, whose pitiful savings will be d&#8230;estroyed by money-printing. In addition, the euro will fall in value, only being sustained NOW because Germans REFUSE to do the cheap, easy and above all STUPID THING.If Germans reveals itself to be just as feckless as all the rest, we&#8217;re doomed.</p>
<p>SO WHAT if the euro fails. That&#8217;s what it DESERVES. It is a NONSENSE with such differing economies in it. ALL ECONOMISTS SAY SO, but the plebs are being sacrified on the altar of the UNMANDATED OBSESSION of the European Superstaters.</p>
<p>They can go to hell, and I hope the Germans stand fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Multumnonmulta: The Franco-German thing is this:
1) The Franks (the original Francogermans), were highly tech oriented (even more than other Germans). That&#039;s how they ascended: by out-teching the Romans in weaponry, even on water.

2) The core of Europe competed with itself in ever more advanced tech. That was made possible because Europe was a political mess. Deliberately so: for example, Charlemagne depended on a &lt;em&gt;republic&lt;/em&gt;, Venice, for the fleet, but did not bother to subdue it, just the opposite, he protected it. Also he gave territory to the Pope (800 CE.) The Feudal system made that way worse (Feudal causal loops existed, where some nobles were both suzerain and vassal to themselves!)
Instead of calling Europe a mess, maybe I should say that the Franks refused to make an empire more than needed; the &lt;em&gt;Imperium Francorum&lt;/em&gt; was on a need only basis.

3) Starting with Colbert, the French high tech drive became a matter of state. Colbert was Keynes with brains, tech, and no Quantitative Easing. (1660 CE.)

4) Simultaneously, Britain started to do the same, more centered around her Navy. 

5) The French Revolution proved the advantage of state of the art military tech. That&#039;s how the republic beat the plutocrats.

6) By 1850 CE, Prussia joined the fun with militarized Colbertism, axed on chemistry and physics.

7) However in WWI mostly French military tech defeated Prussia in the very domain it thought it excelled. French artillery proved superior, as in the Revolutionary wars, and the thousands of Franco-British tanks crushed German trenches with their occupants.

8] France, having dicovered the nuclear chain reaction, launched a nuclear bomb program in 1938. It moved to Manhattan later, with well known consequences.

9) After WWII, France and Britain triied to recover their tech superiority. Germany joined them later. In the 1990s, as France opted for the Anglo-Saxon financial model, Germany returned to austerity and guilds, to avoid any guilt. German Mittlestand companies came out of it roaring. 

10) In 2008, the subprime, sub everything Wall Street pirate model collapsed, dragging down the USA, Paris and London. France found herself relatively de-industrialized relative to Germany, except for the really big stuff (penalized by the over-valuation of the euro).

11) Paradoxically, the methods used by Germany in the 1990s were the sort of methods (austerity, social concertation, social contract, planification, tech and education drive) which long used to characterize France. (Much of Bismarck&#039;s Prussia was Napoleonism reduxed, self consciously, and ibidem with Nazis!)

12) Merkel, a physicist, seems to have been persuaded by Sarko a lawyer, and his friends, who know some history. Merkel is suddenly definitively starting to come out of her reserve, and take a pro-European stance (there is no choice, but collective suicide).In the last few weeks, or even days. What she said indicates that she finally gets it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Multumnonmulta: The Franco-German thing is this:<br />
1) The Franks (the original Francogermans), were highly tech oriented (even more than other Germans). That&#8217;s how they ascended: by out-teching the Romans in weaponry, even on water.</p>
<p>2) The core of Europe competed with itself in ever more advanced tech. That was made possible because Europe was a political mess. Deliberately so: for example, Charlemagne depended on a <em>republic</em>, Venice, for the fleet, but did not bother to subdue it, just the opposite, he protected it. Also he gave territory to the Pope (800 CE.) The Feudal system made that way worse (Feudal causal loops existed, where some nobles were both suzerain and vassal to themselves!)<br />
Instead of calling Europe a mess, maybe I should say that the Franks refused to make an empire more than needed; the <em>Imperium Francorum</em> was on a need only basis.</p>
<p>3) Starting with Colbert, the French high tech drive became a matter of state. Colbert was Keynes with brains, tech, and no Quantitative Easing. (1660 CE.)</p>
<p>4) Simultaneously, Britain started to do the same, more centered around her Navy. </p>
<p>5) The French Revolution proved the advantage of state of the art military tech. That&#8217;s how the republic beat the plutocrats.</p>
<p>6) By 1850 CE, Prussia joined the fun with militarized Colbertism, axed on chemistry and physics.</p>
<p>7) However in WWI mostly French military tech defeated Prussia in the very domain it thought it excelled. French artillery proved superior, as in the Revolutionary wars, and the thousands of Franco-British tanks crushed German trenches with their occupants.</p>
<p>8] France, having dicovered the nuclear chain reaction, launched a nuclear bomb program in 1938. It moved to Manhattan later, with well known consequences.</p>
<p>9) After WWII, France and Britain triied to recover their tech superiority. Germany joined them later. In the 1990s, as France opted for the Anglo-Saxon financial model, Germany returned to austerity and guilds, to avoid any guilt. German Mittlestand companies came out of it roaring. </p>
<p>10) In 2008, the subprime, sub everything Wall Street pirate model collapsed, dragging down the USA, Paris and London. France found herself relatively de-industrialized relative to Germany, except for the really big stuff (penalized by the over-valuation of the euro).</p>
<p>11) Paradoxically, the methods used by Germany in the 1990s were the sort of methods (austerity, social concertation, social contract, planification, tech and education drive) which long used to characterize France. (Much of Bismarck&#8217;s Prussia was Napoleonism reduxed, self consciously, and ibidem with Nazis!)</p>
<p>12) Merkel, a physicist, seems to have been persuaded by Sarko a lawyer, and his friends, who know some history. Merkel is suddenly definitively starting to come out of her reserve, and take a pro-European stance (there is no choice, but collective suicide).In the last few weeks, or even days. What she said indicates that she finally gets it.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: multumnonmulta</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I see no connection with leverage capital (except that the Protestants were, overall more friendly to commerce, thus capital, thus leverage capital… Indeed!)&quot;  That&#039;s only one aspect, then consider the adversity of the other towards capital/usury.  

&quot;I am not sure the French, in power or opposition, have completely understood the present plutocratic world order, nor, a fortiori established a road map out.&quot;  Keynes saw it and tried to more balanced regime, but we know how it all come.  De Gaulle must have seen it also, but could do little about it in the end.  Sarko thought he&#039;d take a shortcut or two, but ended up showing French exposure/vulnerability in its magnificence.  Problem is that the American &#039;90s and British-American past decade have been too irresistible--hence the luring power of leverage. 


&quot;All they know is that Germany, at this point, has out-Frenched the French. The consensus seems to Germanize France to the max ASAP.&quot;  I am not sure I understand your point, but France should remain itself, just as German solutions worked in Germany.  


China seems closer to Bismark&#039;s Prusia than anything the EUropeans did in the &#039;30s.  But then again, we should resist the temptations oversimplification.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I see no connection with leverage capital (except that the Protestants were, overall more friendly to commerce, thus capital, thus leverage capital… Indeed!)&#8221;  That&#8217;s only one aspect, then consider the adversity of the other towards capital/usury.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I am not sure the French, in power or opposition, have completely understood the present plutocratic world order, nor, a fortiori established a road map out.&#8221;  Keynes saw it and tried to more balanced regime, but we know how it all come.  De Gaulle must have seen it also, but could do little about it in the end.  Sarko thought he&#8217;d take a shortcut or two, but ended up showing French exposure/vulnerability in its magnificence.  Problem is that the American &#8217;90s and British-American past decade have been too irresistible&#8211;hence the luring power of leverage. </p>
<p>&#8220;All they know is that Germany, at this point, has out-Frenched the French. The consensus seems to Germanize France to the max ASAP.&#8221;  I am not sure I understand your point, but France should remain itself, just as German solutions worked in Germany.  </p>
<p>China seems closer to Bismark&#8217;s Prusia than anything the EUropeans did in the &#8217;30s.  But then again, we should resist the temptations oversimplification.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Multumnonmulta: You make many excellent points. In the latest essay I just forgot to allude to the problems with Spain and France, as I was more focused on the netherlands and England. But, as you point out, it was an underlying problem with those two. Actually both Spain and France were immensely weakened by the expulsions. France made Germany and the netherlands much stronger, with the emigration there of millions of protestants. Re-establishing a chronic civil war in France was also a disaster. That is why I hate and despise Louis XIV. Whatever his genuine support for arts and science. I do not even reproach him his exterior wars. But for throwing out the Hugenots, there was, and there is no excuse. 
Louis later said he got bad advice. Whatever. He slept (&amp; married) a Catholic fanatic, by pure, well considered love. 
Felipe II of Spain made possible English America, as he exterminated the French Hugenot colonies on the eastern seaboard in the 16C. 
It&#039;s all very lamentable, but I see no connection with leverage capital (except that the Protestants were, overall more friendly to commerce, thus capital, thus leverage capital... Indeed!)

I am not sure the French, in power or opposition, have completely understood the present plutocratic world order, nor, a fortiori established a road map out. All they know is that Germany, at this point, has out-Frenched the French. The consensus seems to Germanize France to the max ASAP. And it&#039;s true that China, like the european fascists in the 1930s, is trying to milk plutocracy for all it&#039;s worth. Because China has a vast culture, and the example of the 1930s is for all to contemplate, the issue will probably be different, though. One can hope.
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Multumnonmulta: You make many excellent points. In the latest essay I just forgot to allude to the problems with Spain and France, as I was more focused on the netherlands and England. But, as you point out, it was an underlying problem with those two. Actually both Spain and France were immensely weakened by the expulsions. France made Germany and the netherlands much stronger, with the emigration there of millions of protestants. Re-establishing a chronic civil war in France was also a disaster. That is why I hate and despise Louis XIV. Whatever his genuine support for arts and science. I do not even reproach him his exterior wars. But for throwing out the Hugenots, there was, and there is no excuse.<br />
Louis later said he got bad advice. Whatever. He slept (&amp; married) a Catholic fanatic, by pure, well considered love.<br />
Felipe II of Spain made possible English America, as he exterminated the French Hugenot colonies on the eastern seaboard in the 16C.<br />
It&#8217;s all very lamentable, but I see no connection with leverage capital (except that the Protestants were, overall more friendly to commerce, thus capital, thus leverage capital&#8230; Indeed!)</p>
<p>I am not sure the French, in power or opposition, have completely understood the present plutocratic world order, nor, a fortiori established a road map out. All they know is that Germany, at this point, has out-Frenched the French. The consensus seems to Germanize France to the max ASAP. And it&#8217;s true that China, like the european fascists in the 1930s, is trying to milk plutocracy for all it&#8217;s worth. Because China has a vast culture, and the example of the 1930s is for all to contemplate, the issue will probably be different, though. One can hope.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: multumnonmulta</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does Krugman know?  Hard to tell.  What does Krugman say?  Status-qvo ante serving rhetoric.  How does Krugman come across?  As a little boy whining, mainly about the fact that Obambi sided with other small fish passing as sharks (Summers, Geithner, etc.).  Who takes Krugman seriously?  Probably his Princeton students and all the folk believing in the more stimulus type of kicking the can down the road.  Is there something Krugman can learn?  Humility on his way to wisdom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Krugman know?  Hard to tell.  What does Krugman say?  Status-qvo ante serving rhetoric.  How does Krugman come across?  As a little boy whining, mainly about the fact that Obambi sided with other small fish passing as sharks (Summers, Geithner, etc.).  Who takes Krugman seriously?  Probably his Princeton students and all the folk believing in the more stimulus type of kicking the can down the road.  Is there something Krugman can learn?  Humility on his way to wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: multumnonmulta</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is time for the Europeans to understand that they were naïve and self contradictory to build peaceful altruistic Europe as a servant of an economic model&quot; that won the war, if I may.  In other words, it was the legitimacy of the winner.  Problem is that Germany beat the Anglo-American economies...

Look more into the religious expulsions from Spain and France, and      their connections to leverage capital.  

Well pointed that the French socialists thought they could appropriate the means of leverage to foster their own ends.  Problem must have arisen, for not all can simply choose leverage capital and run with it. 

In fact, why not look at leverage capital as one of the many dimensions of the demolition process by which the world re-order-ed.  Then, as you show it, there is a connection between leverage and militarism, just as much as a downside:  not well suited for peaceful growth.  But make no mistake, most of US have been brought here by the lure of leverage--even though little was known to most at the time of departure.

As for gratitude in interstate politics, let&#039;s just be straight about it:  it&#039;s a surprise.  

So, in a world of realpolitik, the question is not about US ingratitude to France/Europe, but for how long can the current world order be extended.  France wanted to bolt out--Chirac was the latest--Germany is on its way out; luckily we have Sweden to make a joke of itself with Asange...

Secondly, is China taking leverage upstairs?

P.S.  Many thanks for many references filling up the puzzle of history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is time for the Europeans to understand that they were naïve and self contradictory to build peaceful altruistic Europe as a servant of an economic model&#8221; that won the war, if I may.  In other words, it was the legitimacy of the winner.  Problem is that Germany beat the Anglo-American economies&#8230;</p>
<p>Look more into the religious expulsions from Spain and France, and      their connections to leverage capital.  </p>
<p>Well pointed that the French socialists thought they could appropriate the means of leverage to foster their own ends.  Problem must have arisen, for not all can simply choose leverage capital and run with it. </p>
<p>In fact, why not look at leverage capital as one of the many dimensions of the demolition process by which the world re-order-ed.  Then, as you show it, there is a connection between leverage and militarism, just as much as a downside:  not well suited for peaceful growth.  But make no mistake, most of US have been brought here by the lure of leverage&#8211;even though little was known to most at the time of departure.</p>
<p>As for gratitude in interstate politics, let&#8217;s just be straight about it:  it&#8217;s a surprise.  </p>
<p>So, in a world of realpolitik, the question is not about US ingratitude to France/Europe, but for how long can the current world order be extended.  France wanted to bolt out&#8211;Chirac was the latest&#8211;Germany is on its way out; luckily we have Sweden to make a joke of itself with Asange&#8230;</p>
<p>Secondly, is China taking leverage upstairs?</p>
<p>P.S.  Many thanks for many references filling up the puzzle of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alexi: Krugman has been evolving like a bad trip with a trypanosome, always changing his protein coat. He started by singing the praises of devaluation. He came to understand he could not market that, so now he claims he wants to save the euro. Whatever, as valley girls say. To answer your more serious question, greater political integration is necessary to make a common currency work. That was the aim of dedicated Europeans, all along. I (try to) explain in my latest essay that the Europeans were misled in their adoption of the Anglo-Saxon economic model. While making it the central piece of their currency scheme.
I don&#039;t think Krugman is anti-German: he goes there and talks.
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexi: Krugman has been evolving like a bad trip with a trypanosome, always changing his protein coat. He started by singing the praises of devaluation. He came to understand he could not market that, so now he claims he wants to save the euro. Whatever, as valley girls say. To answer your more serious question, greater political integration is necessary to make a common currency work. That was the aim of dedicated Europeans, all along. I (try to) explain in my latest essay that the Europeans were misled in their adoption of the Anglo-Saxon economic model. While making it the central piece of their currency scheme.<br />
I don&#8217;t think Krugman is anti-German: he goes there and talks.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Alexi Helligar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexi Helligar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alexi Helligar The idea of the Euro is appealing but can it work without greater political integration between Eurozone countries? Why is the Euro bad for Italy and the US Dollar good for California? If it can be said that the US Dollar is good for Califo...rnia, is there a political arrangement imaginable where the Euro would be good for Italy in Krugman&#039;s mind? It is possible that Krugman is repulsed by the German hegemony that the Euro represents.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexi Helligar The idea of the Euro is appealing but can it work without greater political integration between Eurozone countries? Why is the Euro bad for Italy and the US Dollar good for California? If it can be said that the US Dollar is good for Califo&#8230;rnia, is there a political arrangement imaginable where the Euro would be good for Italy in Krugman&#8217;s mind? It is possible that Krugman is repulsed by the German hegemony that the Euro represents.</p>
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