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		<title>By: Old Geezer</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8564</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 03:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well said, Martin. I will look into &quot;Requiem&quot;, although I am not looking for another reason to be depressed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Martin. I will look into &#8220;Requiem&#8221;, although I am not looking for another reason to be depressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8562</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin: Argentina is pursuing an aggressive policy of renationalization, after defaulting ten years ago on all its debt. The EU (led by conservative Barroso) is infuriated... But maybe it should pay more attention to Isabella&#039;solutions... Brazil is also using more progressive policies, in all sorts of ways. Actually, it&#039;s pretty blatant that more progressive countries are doing better economically. That should be an hint. The (historically) most progressive part of the world, the West, has turned into one of the most retrograde. This has ecological consequences. Merkler, for example is turning fully to coal. acting, even in East Germany, in a more dictatorial way than the old DDR (by destroying entire villages the DDR had spared...).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin: Argentina is pursuing an aggressive policy of renationalization, after defaulting ten years ago on all its debt. The EU (led by conservative Barroso) is infuriated&#8230; But maybe it should pay more attention to Isabella&#8217;solutions&#8230; Brazil is also using more progressive policies, in all sorts of ways. Actually, it&#8217;s pretty blatant that more progressive countries are doing better economically. That should be an hint. The (historically) most progressive part of the world, the West, has turned into one of the most retrograde. This has ecological consequences. Merkler, for example is turning fully to coal. acting, even in East Germany, in a more dictatorial way than the old DDR (by destroying entire villages the DDR had spared&#8230;).<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8561</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 16:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OGP, Martin, etc: First people have to understand what went wrong. Krugman, for example rarely wax lyricla on &quot;monetary base&quot;. Similarly, the government has focused attention of the naive towards TARP (gov mde money, etc.).... So that people would not look at monetary base, etc... Per K., who has commented a few times here, and was a professional central banker, suggested that all of this is caused by stupidity, not malevolence. In any case, as long as people do not realize that all the power is funneled through the privately managed banks... Including the power supposed to take us out of... Plutocracy... Not much is to be done. 
In Europe there is some sort of waking-up going on, but mostly in Greece and France. Although the new conservative Spanish gov has given signs of exasperation with Merkler, and that means the system as it is...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OGP, Martin, etc: First people have to understand what went wrong. Krugman, for example rarely wax lyricla on &#8220;monetary base&#8221;. Similarly, the government has focused attention of the naive towards TARP (gov mde money, etc.)&#8230;. So that people would not look at monetary base, etc&#8230; Per K., who has commented a few times here, and was a professional central banker, suggested that all of this is caused by stupidity, not malevolence. In any case, as long as people do not realize that all the power is funneled through the privately managed banks&#8230; Including the power supposed to take us out of&#8230; Plutocracy&#8230; Not much is to be done.<br />
In Europe there is some sort of waking-up going on, but mostly in Greece and France. Although the new conservative Spanish gov has given signs of exasperation with Merkler, and that means the system as it is&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8560</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 15:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old Geezer, I said that &lt;em&gt;I do not seek or relish collapse&lt;/em&gt; and Patrice responded that &quot;[c]&lt;em&gt;ivilisational collapse to start afresh is a dreadful option&lt;/em&gt;&quot;.  However, he went on to suggest that civil disobedience is a much better option:  I am inclined to agree that it may well be - as did Clive Hamilton in the closing pages of his book, &lt;em&gt;Requiem for a Species&lt;/em&gt; (which is not for the faint-hearted...  

The Occupy movement (and the riots in the UK last summer) have demonstrated the power of social networking media to organise dissent; therefore I think it should be possible to organise crowd-sourced de-capitalisation of a well-chosen bank (such as Bankia in Spain):  Civilisational collapse may be a long way off, but financial collapse would appear to be much closer; and civil disobedience might just be the final nail in its coffin.

In &lt;em&gt;Requiem for a Species&lt;/em&gt;, Hamilton alludes to Sir Nicholas Stern&#039;s description of climate change as &lt;em&gt;&quot;the greatest market failure in history&quot;&lt;/em&gt;; and then adds his own judgement that it is also &lt;em&gt;&quot;a failure of modern politics&quot;&lt;/em&gt;.  However, I think our greatest problem as a species now, given these realities, is a failure of imagination:  The Carbon Age is ending and with it too - in all probability - will go Capitalism also.  What we need now is the faith to believe that we can do better; the belief that localism and sustainable societies need not necessitate a return to a feudalistic Dark Age.  However, the longer we delay changing course, the more likely I think that unwanted destination becomes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Geezer, I said that <em>I do not seek or relish collapse</em> and Patrice responded that &#8220;[c]<em>ivilisational collapse to start afresh is a dreadful option</em>&#8220;.  However, he went on to suggest that civil disobedience is a much better option:  I am inclined to agree that it may well be &#8211; as did Clive Hamilton in the closing pages of his book, <em>Requiem for a Species</em> (which is not for the faint-hearted&#8230;  </p>
<p>The Occupy movement (and the riots in the UK last summer) have demonstrated the power of social networking media to organise dissent; therefore I think it should be possible to organise crowd-sourced de-capitalisation of a well-chosen bank (such as Bankia in Spain):  Civilisational collapse may be a long way off, but financial collapse would appear to be much closer; and civil disobedience might just be the final nail in its coffin.</p>
<p>In <em>Requiem for a Species</em>, Hamilton alludes to Sir Nicholas Stern&#8217;s description of climate change as <em>&#8220;the greatest market failure in history&#8221;</em>; and then adds his own judgement that it is also <em>&#8220;a failure of modern politics&#8221;</em>.  However, I think our greatest problem as a species now, given these realities, is a failure of imagination:  The Carbon Age is ending and with it too &#8211; in all probability &#8211; will go Capitalism also.  What we need now is the faith to believe that we can do better; the belief that localism and sustainable societies need not necessitate a return to a feudalistic Dark Age.  However, the longer we delay changing course, the more likely I think that unwanted destination becomes.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8559</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Martin:

I share your belief that the &quot;system cannot be reformed.&quot; So, as someone once asked, &quot;What is to be done?&quot;

I have moved my account from the bank to a credit union. A small, almost insignificant act of rebellion. This will NOT block the Plutocrats because they still have too much money.

There are &quot;barter systems&quot; like &quot;Ithaca Hours&quot; that avoid the use of US money. Also insignificantly small.

There is the &quot;occupy&quot; movement. A good idea, but being successfully blocked across the country by local mayors and police forces. I don&#039;t know what the future holds for them.

Any ideas would be appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin:</p>
<p>I share your belief that the &#8220;system cannot be reformed.&#8221; So, as someone once asked, &#8220;What is to be done?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have moved my account from the bank to a credit union. A small, almost insignificant act of rebellion. This will NOT block the Plutocrats because they still have too much money.</p>
<p>There are &#8220;barter systems&#8221; like &#8220;Ithaca Hours&#8221; that avoid the use of US money. Also insignificantly small.</p>
<p>There is the &#8220;occupy&#8221; movement. A good idea, but being successfully blocked across the country by local mayors and police forces. I don&#8217;t know what the future holds for them.</p>
<p>Any ideas would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8550</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edward: Thanks for attracting my attention on that post. There is an apparent typo, at least one in the quote you made. However you did not say which essay you extracted it from. So it&#039;s hard for me to go and correct it. 

The inflation target of the ECB is 2%, not 1%. And even that is indeed too low. Should be 4% (the de facto rate in the UK). 

The juxtaposition of different concepts in succeeding sentences gave you an erroneous idea of what I said. I am sorry about that. You assumed I was still talking about inflation targets. Instead I was talking about the fact that throwing money at banks (&quot;QE&quot;), AS IT IS, does not insure that the money will get to the real economy to make real investments providing real jobs. 

OK, maybe I will split in different paragraphs, and make clear that&#039;s a different subject, related only by the same abject failure in providing money to the real economy. 

Money supply thus provided does not have to cause inflation if, AS IT IS, it does not reach the real economy. And that is what we observe. 

I will not add that an education in Basic Comprehension 101 is in order, because gratuitous insults do not a debate serve.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward: Thanks for attracting my attention on that post. There is an apparent typo, at least one in the quote you made. However you did not say which essay you extracted it from. So it&#8217;s hard for me to go and correct it. </p>
<p>The inflation target of the ECB is 2%, not 1%. And even that is indeed too low. Should be 4% (the de facto rate in the UK). </p>
<p>The juxtaposition of different concepts in succeeding sentences gave you an erroneous idea of what I said. I am sorry about that. You assumed I was still talking about inflation targets. Instead I was talking about the fact that throwing money at banks (&#8220;QE&#8221;), AS IT IS, does not insure that the money will get to the real economy to make real investments providing real jobs. </p>
<p>OK, maybe I will split in different paragraphs, and make clear that&#8217;s a different subject, related only by the same abject failure in providing money to the real economy. </p>
<p>Money supply thus provided does not have to cause inflation if, AS IT IS, it does not reach the real economy. And that is what we observe. </p>
<p>I will not add that an education in Basic Comprehension 101 is in order, because gratuitous insults do not a debate serve.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Nie</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8549</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edwar Nie 
I was just looking at your wordpress and from the looks of it, I don&#039;t believe you understand how economics works at all. For example, you say:

&quot;The inflation target of the European Central Bank, 1%, is way too low. The US Fed is just as bad, with its zero interest rate policy, which mostly serves its friends in the plutocracy. As it is, the zero interest rate policy does not provide money to the real economy, and other things need to be done.&quot;

Near-zero interest rate is the target set by the Fed, however this is not to be confused with inflation. In fact, the argument should run counter, that a zero percent interest rate promotes higher inflation because in order to decrease the target interest rate, you increase money supply, which in turn increase prices (if you&#039;re not producing more goods). An education in Economics 101 is in order]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edwar Nie<br />
I was just looking at your wordpress and from the looks of it, I don&#8217;t believe you understand how economics works at all. For example, you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;The inflation target of the European Central Bank, 1%, is way too low. The US Fed is just as bad, with its zero interest rate policy, which mostly serves its friends in the plutocracy. As it is, the zero interest rate policy does not provide money to the real economy, and other things need to be done.&#8221;</p>
<p>Near-zero interest rate is the target set by the Fed, however this is not to be confused with inflation. In fact, the argument should run counter, that a zero percent interest rate promotes higher inflation because in order to decrease the target interest rate, you increase money supply, which in turn increase prices (if you&#8217;re not producing more goods). An education in Economics 101 is in order</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8548</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dear Martin: Thanks for the link, and the compliments...The link attracted my attention on other articles therein too. I think the debate about firing and hiring has been decisively settled by Denmark. There companies fire at will, and the government steps in, providing the fired with all sorts of supports (financial, training,re-employment). It works very well in all ways, and is obviously a great cause of Danish economic superiority. 

Why does the rest of Europe not copy Denmark? OK, let me rephrase this: Why did only Merkel copy, on an emergency basis, the Danish system? No se&#039;. But that would be a crafty structural pan-European reform to do. Something Merkel would find hard to say nein about...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear Martin: Thanks for the link, and the compliments&#8230;The link attracted my attention on other articles therein too. I think the debate about firing and hiring has been decisively settled by Denmark. There companies fire at will, and the government steps in, providing the fired with all sorts of supports (financial, training,re-employment). It works very well in all ways, and is obviously a great cause of Danish economic superiority. </p>
<p>Why does the rest of Europe not copy Denmark? OK, let me rephrase this: Why did only Merkel copy, on an emergency basis, the Danish system? No se&#8217;. But that would be a crafty structural pan-European reform to do. Something Merkel would find hard to say nein about&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/banking-demons/#comment-8547</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martin: Another point, not really a detail. You suggested plutocracy was an &quot;institution&quot;. Well, in truth, &lt;strong&gt;plutocracy would like to be an institution, but, at this point, democracy is still the institution, and plutocracy, little more than a globalized conspiracy.&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin: Another point, not really a detail. You suggested plutocracy was an &#8220;institution&#8221;. Well, in truth, <strong>plutocracy would like to be an institution, but, at this point, democracy is still the institution, and plutocracy, little more than a globalized conspiracy.</strong><br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrice, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know or understand about American politics.  Therefore, I feel very flattered by your suggestion that my contribution to the blogosphere on the subject of climate comes anywhere close to your own on politics.  

I think the biggest impediment to widespread civil disobedience is people&#039;s fears over job security (if that is they have one - it is likely to bring an end to my blogging if I am so lucky as to get a job).  That is what is so insidious about Adrian Beecroft (a self-made plutocrat?) telling the UK government that they should make it easier for employers to dismiss employees:  His subsequent assertion that anyone who objects must be a &lt;em&gt;&quot;socialist&quot;&lt;/em&gt; merely confirms how warped his world view is.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9283748/Socialist-Vince-Cable-not-fit-for-office-says-Adrian-Beecroft.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrice, you have probably forgotten more than I will ever know or understand about American politics.  Therefore, I feel very flattered by your suggestion that my contribution to the blogosphere on the subject of climate comes anywhere close to your own on politics.  </p>
<p>I think the biggest impediment to widespread civil disobedience is people&#8217;s fears over job security (if that is they have one &#8211; it is likely to bring an end to my blogging if I am so lucky as to get a job).  That is what is so insidious about Adrian Beecroft (a self-made plutocrat?) telling the UK government that they should make it easier for employers to dismiss employees:  His subsequent assertion that anyone who objects must be a <em>&#8220;socialist&#8221;</em> merely confirms how warped his world view is.<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9283748/Socialist-Vince-Cable-not-fit-for-office-says-Adrian-Beecroft.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9283748/Socialist-Vince-Cable-not-fit-for-office-says-Adrian-Beecroft.html</a></p>
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