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		<title>By: Sono quindi penso « Some of Patrice Ayme’s Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, Paul, one more motivation to go back to work. &lt;strong&gt;Thinking is definitively what is now called an EMERGING property&lt;/strong&gt;. That is one way to see why Descartes&#039; opinion, aphorism, slogan is erroneous. Sometimes we are naive, it happens to me all the times. Naivety, pushed to the extreme, is called unconsciousness, and it&#039;s a constant companion, all the time. When we are 18 months old we learn to walk, but now that we know, we don&#039;t think about it, we have become unconscious of it..
More later...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Paul, one more motivation to go back to work. <strong>Thinking is definitively what is now called an EMERGING property</strong>. That is one way to see why Descartes&#8217; opinion, aphorism, slogan is erroneous. Sometimes we are naive, it happens to me all the times. Naivety, pushed to the extreme, is called unconsciousness, and it&#8217;s a constant companion, all the time. When we are 18 months old we learn to walk, but now that we know, we don&#8217;t think about it, we have become unconscious of it..<br />
More later&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrice, your reply is tantalisingly interesting.  I say this because seemingly we live in a world where it appears that there is no cultural room for naivety. As if we all kneel down and pray to the god of knowledge.  Which is why I found Old Geezer&#039;s comment so provocative, akin to a mental mirage; now you think it, now you don&#039;t!

But maybe there is a real strength in approaching so much in life, as in life in the broadest sense, from a naive perspective.  Especially the inner world of thoughts, feelings, moods, consciousness and within that inner world, the deep crevices of the unconscious mind.

This is truly fascinating, even before one starts to muse on the silken threads that link the unconsciousness mind to the conscious.

In other words, it seems to me that the only chance of really embracing the magic and mystery of the world within us, is to approach it as a naive participant!

Perhaps you or Old Geezer could work out what I&#039;m trying to say and explain it to me. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrice, your reply is tantalisingly interesting.  I say this because seemingly we live in a world where it appears that there is no cultural room for naivety. As if we all kneel down and pray to the god of knowledge.  Which is why I found Old Geezer&#8217;s comment so provocative, akin to a mental mirage; now you think it, now you don&#8217;t!</p>
<p>But maybe there is a real strength in approaching so much in life, as in life in the broadest sense, from a naive perspective.  Especially the inner world of thoughts, feelings, moods, consciousness and within that inner world, the deep crevices of the unconscious mind.</p>
<p>This is truly fascinating, even before one starts to muse on the silken threads that link the unconsciousness mind to the conscious.</p>
<p>In other words, it seems to me that the only chance of really embracing the magic and mystery of the world within us, is to approach it as a naive participant!</p>
<p>Perhaps you or Old Geezer could work out what I&#8217;m trying to say and explain it to me. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Old Geezer: &quot;&lt;em&gt;I am therefore I think&lt;/em&gt;&quot; was going to be the title of my answer essay to Paul. Or more exactly:&quot;&lt;em&gt;I am, &amp; Sometimes I Think&lt;/em&gt;&quot;. (&quot;Lucky enough to think would be more like it...&quot;). So we are on the same frequency. 
I was going to illustrate with some very personal experience, such as falling off a mountain, obviously an excellent place to put Descartes to the test. &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;I think, therefore I am falling?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Good point about the bacteria. Now some are coming out and calling them an organ like any other organ...
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Old Geezer: &#8220;<em>I am therefore I think</em>&#8221; was going to be the title of my answer essay to Paul. Or more exactly:&#8221;<em>I am, &amp; Sometimes I Think</em>&#8220;. (&#8220;Lucky enough to think would be more like it&#8230;&#8221;). So we are on the same frequency.<br />
I was going to illustrate with some very personal experience, such as falling off a mountain, obviously an excellent place to put Descartes to the test. <em><strong>&#8220;I think, therefore I am falling?&#8221;</strong></em></p>
<p>Good point about the bacteria. Now some are coming out and calling them an organ like any other organ&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Paul: That seems too light a punishment to me, so I will extend and refurbished my comment in an essay... Because the points you brought up, the naive approach, if I may dare to say so, have to be answered, and in a different approach than the one I took in &quot;I mood, therefore...&quot; That should help explain some of the points I was trying to make. If I find time...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul: That seems too light a punishment to me, so I will extend and refurbished my comment in an essay&#8230; Because the points you brought up, the naive approach, if I may dare to say so, have to be answered, and in a different approach than the one I took in &#8220;I mood, therefore&#8230;&#8221; That should help explain some of the points I was trying to make. If I find time&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OG, I&#039;ve just read your comment a couple of times and now think I need to lie down in a darkened room! ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OG, I&#8217;ve just read your comment a couple of times and now think I need to lie down in a darkened room! <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IMHO, &quot;I am therefore I think&quot; is looking better all the time. 

We are  finding out that we (us human beings, that is) are merely gift wrapping for the skillions of bacteria that inhabit our innards and who (assuming that they can be called a who) process our food and supply all the necessary enzymes that make us even think about thinking.

So, credit where credit is due.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, &#8220;I am therefore I think&#8221; is looking better all the time. </p>
<p>We are  finding out that we (us human beings, that is) are merely gift wrapping for the skillions of bacteria that inhabit our innards and who (assuming that they can be called a who) process our food and supply all the necessary enzymes that make us even think about thinking.</p>
<p>So, credit where credit is due.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That served me!

Interestingly, came across this a short while ago http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-ghost-in-the-machine-unraveling-the-mystery-of-consciousness

Anyway, if I don&#039;t think about having a shower and getting dressed then the mood around here will deteriorate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That served me!</p>
<p>Interestingly, came across this a short while ago <a href="http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-ghost-in-the-machine-unraveling-the-mystery-of-consciousness" rel="nofollow">http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-ghost-in-the-machine-unraveling-the-mystery-of-consciousness</a></p>
<p>Anyway, if I don&#8217;t think about having a shower and getting dressed then the mood around here will deteriorate!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 05:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Paul:
Wittgenstein, teaching at Cambridge, as top philosopher, famously used to make fun of Descartes by loudly remarking:&quot;&lt;em&gt;I think, therefore it rains!&quot;&lt;/em&gt; Or: &quot;&lt;em&gt;I think, therefore the sky is blue&lt;/em&gt;!&quot; (He did not elaborate more than that, I will!)

Wittgenstein thought Descartes&#039; slogan was pointless. And I agree. Why not:&quot;I am, therefore I think&quot; or &quot;I think I am, therefore I think.&quot;? Anybody waking up from total exhaustion has first the &lt;em&gt;sensation of existing&lt;/em&gt; (&quot;&lt;em&gt;I am&lt;/em&gt;!&quot;, or: &quot;&lt;em&gt;I seem to be!&quot;) &lt;/em&gt;, well before they start thinking anything remotely organized, or logical. That could certainly be proven by e-m brain studies, BTW. 

Somebody in very deep coma demonstrably exists, while often not being in thought, deep or not.

Actually anybody familiar with heavy exercise knows they can reach points where he or she is, but do not too well what anything, including themselves, is all about. &lt;strong&gt;They are, but they don&#039;t really think&lt;/strong&gt;. So being precedes thinking, elaborated or not. When I run uphill at 3,000 meters for more than fiften minutes, it tends to do this to me, for example.

It&#039;s amazing Descartes, an army captain, could make such a mistake (make no mistake, as Descartes founded analytic geometry, he was a genius, maybe even more than Newton, or anybody else. But he made lots of mistakes; here the real mistake is to make too much of his anti-church agenda, now quaint, having succeeded fully...) 

My point was that &lt;em&gt;Moods&lt;/em&gt; provide the context. How does a baby learn the meaning of words? Not from a dictionary, but from emotions. &lt;strong&gt;Emotions come first, they provide the semantics of the world, for any growing human mind&lt;/strong&gt;. I should go back in the essay and point that out, so thank you Paul!

All humans think. Simply some refuse to do it creatively, or have been conditioned, by a special mood, to avoid all and any creative thinking.
And I agree that moods, paying attention to moods, considerably complicates the analysis of thinking, as I tried to show, for example with my two pence psychoanalysis of Socrates&#039; pathetic little logic... Living, worldwide, among various savages, such as those of Silicon Valley, has taught me that &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;moods dominate logic. Maybe not locally, but certainly, globally. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul:<br />
Wittgenstein, teaching at Cambridge, as top philosopher, famously used to make fun of Descartes by loudly remarking:&#8221;<em>I think, therefore it rains!&#8221;</em> Or: &#8220;<em>I think, therefore the sky is blue</em>!&#8221; (He did not elaborate more than that, I will!)</p>
<p>Wittgenstein thought Descartes&#8217; slogan was pointless. And I agree. Why not:&#8221;I am, therefore I think&#8221; or &#8220;I think I am, therefore I think.&#8221;? Anybody waking up from total exhaustion has first the <em>sensation of existing</em> (&#8220;<em>I am</em>!&#8221;, or: &#8220;<em>I seem to be!&#8221;) </em>, well before they start thinking anything remotely organized, or logical. That could certainly be proven by e-m brain studies, BTW. </p>
<p>Somebody in very deep coma demonstrably exists, while often not being in thought, deep or not.</p>
<p>Actually anybody familiar with heavy exercise knows they can reach points where he or she is, but do not too well what anything, including themselves, is all about. <strong>They are, but they don&#8217;t really think</strong>. So being precedes thinking, elaborated or not. When I run uphill at 3,000 meters for more than fiften minutes, it tends to do this to me, for example.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing Descartes, an army captain, could make such a mistake (make no mistake, as Descartes founded analytic geometry, he was a genius, maybe even more than Newton, or anybody else. But he made lots of mistakes; here the real mistake is to make too much of his anti-church agenda, now quaint, having succeeded fully&#8230;) </p>
<p>My point was that <em>Moods</em> provide the context. How does a baby learn the meaning of words? Not from a dictionary, but from emotions. <strong>Emotions come first, they provide the semantics of the world, for any growing human mind</strong>. I should go back in the essay and point that out, so thank you Paul!</p>
<p>All humans think. Simply some refuse to do it creatively, or have been conditioned, by a special mood, to avoid all and any creative thinking.<br />
And I agree that moods, paying attention to moods, considerably complicates the analysis of thinking, as I tried to show, for example with my two pence psychoanalysis of Socrates&#8217; pathetic little logic&#8230; Living, worldwide, among various savages, such as those of Silicon Valley, has taught me that <em><strong>moods dominate logic. Maybe not locally, but certainly, globally. </strong></em><br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 03:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cogito ergo sum, or as the French would say, &quot;Je pense donc je suis&quot;.  (I had to look these up!)

But in the familiar (to me) English, surely all you are saying is that famous phrase, &quot;I think, therefore I am&quot;?

Ergo, writing so extensively about moods is complicating something basic to man.  Some humans think and some don&#039;t!

Just my two-pennies worth!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cogito ergo sum, or as the French would say, &#8220;Je pense donc je suis&#8221;.  (I had to look these up!)</p>
<p>But in the familiar (to me) English, surely all you are saying is that famous phrase, &#8220;I think, therefore I am&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ergo, writing so extensively about moods is complicating something basic to man.  Some humans think and some don&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Just my two-pennies worth!</p>
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