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		<title>By: Not even sure what to call this Post? &#171; Learning from Dogs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not even sure what to call this Post? &#171; Learning from Dogs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] see what Patrice wrote about on the 27th July was about the proposition &#8220;that superior intelligence in a species can only come from an [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Curiosity, Lightning, Rafale &#171; Some of Patrice Ayme&#8217;s Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/reason-from-unreason/#comment-9914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curiosity, Lightning, Rafale &#171; Some of Patrice Ayme&#8217;s Thoughts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it&#8217;s a sort of re-production of the perceived world. To be changed, one needs un-reason, as I argued, a jolt out of the box to create new dimensions. Maybe that French laser on Mars can zap away at [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/reason-from-unreason/#comment-9780</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Martin: Wow. How wrong can that museum be? 
What Augustus bemoaned as &quot;his legions&quot; were commanded by Varus in the north of Germany, and were coming back from further east, for winter quarters, closer to the Rhine. The drama happned hundreds of miles from the Rhine.
Anyway there is a gap between Rhine and Danube, and the limes went across it, an unending source of trouble, huge expense, and, ultimately, invasions, for two centuries (before the final one). Both Caeasar and the Franks though that the only way out was for Germany to use the Euro. I mean, the Solidus. they were right. So now here we are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Martin: Wow. How wrong can that museum be?<br />
What Augustus bemoaned as &#8220;his legions&#8221; were commanded by Varus in the north of Germany, and were coming back from further east, for winter quarters, closer to the Rhine. The drama happned hundreds of miles from the Rhine.<br />
Anyway there is a gap between Rhine and Danube, and the limes went across it, an unending source of trouble, huge expense, and, ultimately, invasions, for two centuries (before the final one). Both Caeasar and the Franks though that the only way out was for Germany to use the Euro. I mean, the Solidus. they were right. So now here we are.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/reason-from-unreason/#comment-9764</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yet again, Patrice, thanks for the history lesson.  

Clearly, the museum at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/housesteads-roman-fort-hadrians-wall/history/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Housesteads (Vercovicium)&lt;/a&gt; is merely describing a point in history... when it tells visitors that the Roman Empire never extended beyond the Rhine or Danube rivers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet again, Patrice, thanks for the history lesson.  </p>
<p>Clearly, the museum at <a href="http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/housesteads-roman-fort-hadrians-wall/history/" rel="nofollow">Housesteads (Vercovicium)</a> is merely describing a point in history&#8230; when it tells visitors that the Roman Empire never extended beyond the Rhine or Danube rivers!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/reason-from-unreason/#comment-9761</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 08:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dear Martin: Many subjects here, to be addressed more fully in the future. Although many I have done much about them, in the past. 

&lt;strong&gt;The Romans DID cross the Rhine&lt;/strong&gt;. Starting with Julius Caeasar himself, who did several times. The great crushing of an entire Roman army centered around three elite legions happened, under Augustus, in the extreme north of Germany, where the last rolling hills and forest meet the (what used to be the northern) swamp. An army led by Germanicus visited the battlefield, a few years later. 

&lt;strong&gt;Much of the richest part of Germany (Cologne region, and east of that; and the entire south of Germany), nearly half of it, was Roman for centuries &lt;/strong&gt;(before being invaded; the Romans living in Germany did not revolt, they were victims of invaders!) Control was lost as Xtianism gripped the empire. 

The Pagan Caesar Julian, at the head of his Franks and Parisians, won an important DEFENSIVE victory in Strasbourg in 357 CE (or so). 150 years later, the Franks counterattacked, sweeping the Alemani all the way through Bavaria.

What is true is that the Romans never succeeded in a great extermination and control war. (Caesar was assassinated as he was to leave just for such a war, with the best Roman army ever!)
Augustus advised his successors against it, a huge mistake.

But the Franks, who viewed themselves as the Romans, discarded Augustus&#039;pontificating, and did succeed to conquer all of Germania, and beyond (roughly the existing EU minus the Baltics). They took three centuries to finalize it, and, as I have said many times put Christ&#039;s sword to good (if cynical) use.

About the Qur&#039;an you may want to read my (shocking!)
http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/some-violence-in-holy-quran/
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear Martin: Many subjects here, to be addressed more fully in the future. Although many I have done much about them, in the past. </p>
<p><strong>The Romans DID cross the Rhine</strong>. Starting with Julius Caeasar himself, who did several times. The great crushing of an entire Roman army centered around three elite legions happened, under Augustus, in the extreme north of Germany, where the last rolling hills and forest meet the (what used to be the northern) swamp. An army led by Germanicus visited the battlefield, a few years later. </p>
<p><strong>Much of the richest part of Germany (Cologne region, and east of that; and the entire south of Germany), nearly half of it, was Roman for centuries </strong>(before being invaded; the Romans living in Germany did not revolt, they were victims of invaders!) Control was lost as Xtianism gripped the empire. </p>
<p>The Pagan Caesar Julian, at the head of his Franks and Parisians, won an important DEFENSIVE victory in Strasbourg in 357 CE (or so). 150 years later, the Franks counterattacked, sweeping the Alemani all the way through Bavaria.</p>
<p>What is true is that the Romans never succeeded in a great extermination and control war. (Caesar was assassinated as he was to leave just for such a war, with the best Roman army ever!)<br />
Augustus advised his successors against it, a huge mistake.</p>
<p>But the Franks, who viewed themselves as the Romans, discarded Augustus&#8217;pontificating, and did succeed to conquer all of Germania, and beyond (roughly the existing EU minus the Baltics). They took three centuries to finalize it, and, as I have said many times put Christ&#8217;s sword to good (if cynical) use.</p>
<p>About the Qur&#8217;an you may want to read my (shocking!)<br />
<a href="http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/some-violence-in-holy-quran/" rel="nofollow">http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/some-violence-in-holy-quran/</a><br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/reason-from-unreason/#comment-9760</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Grain de folie&quot; effectivement une expression tres francaise. Mais je ne sais si elle est si positive que cela dans ses connotations... Le grain dont je parlais est celui de la petite folie constructive. 

Les tueries Americaines, comme celle de Norvege, sont du a l&#039;acces aux armes de guerre. A Denver l&#039;arme principale du tueur, qui tenait un hargeur de 100 balles, s&#039;est enrayee. Sinon il y aurait eu beaucoup plus de morts. De plus la police est arrivee massivement 2 minutes apres le debut des hostilites, un delai tres bref.

Pas d&#039;armes de guerre, beaucoup moins d&#039; effets de la psychopathie. Le fou criminel de Denver etait completement drogue&#039;. En plus, il voyait un psychiatre. Des gens pareils devrait etre sur une liste interdite d&#039;armes a feux (pour commencer). 

L&#039;usage du cannabis mene a la folie, le fait est bien connu, et demontre&#039;. Certains individus sont tres sensibles. J&#039;ai vu plusieurs cas, de tres pres, avec plusieurs deces de morts violentes (suicides, mais aussi tentatives d&#039;homicides, et meme kidnapping!). Pourtant, si on mentionne le fait scientifique que le pot rend (certains) fou, on est vu comme ringard. Je suis pour la legalisation, a petite dose, comme l&#039;absynthe...
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Grain de folie&#8221; effectivement une expression tres francaise. Mais je ne sais si elle est si positive que cela dans ses connotations&#8230; Le grain dont je parlais est celui de la petite folie constructive. </p>
<p>Les tueries Americaines, comme celle de Norvege, sont du a l&#8217;acces aux armes de guerre. A Denver l&#8217;arme principale du tueur, qui tenait un hargeur de 100 balles, s&#8217;est enrayee. Sinon il y aurait eu beaucoup plus de morts. De plus la police est arrivee massivement 2 minutes apres le debut des hostilites, un delai tres bref.</p>
<p>Pas d&#8217;armes de guerre, beaucoup moins d&#8217; effets de la psychopathie. Le fou criminel de Denver etait completement drogue&#8217;. En plus, il voyait un psychiatre. Des gens pareils devrait etre sur une liste interdite d&#8217;armes a feux (pour commencer). </p>
<p>L&#8217;usage du cannabis mene a la folie, le fait est bien connu, et demontre&#8217;. Certains individus sont tres sensibles. J&#8217;ai vu plusieurs cas, de tres pres, avec plusieurs deces de morts violentes (suicides, mais aussi tentatives d&#8217;homicides, et meme kidnapping!). Pourtant, si on mentionne le fait scientifique que le pot rend (certains) fou, on est vu comme ringard. Je suis pour la legalisation, a petite dose, comme l&#8217;absynthe&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques R</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/reason-from-unreason/#comment-9759</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Certes, un &quot;grain de folie&quot;, expression très française,  est souvent une supériorité sur les autres. 
Mais un problème reste entier: comment distinguer le vrai du faux psychopathe (le fou en Français de base) et l&#039;empecher de passer à l&#039;acte: d&#039;où les macabres faits divers qui viennent des USA tous les semestres!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certes, un &#8220;grain de folie&#8221;, expression très française,  est souvent une supériorité sur les autres.<br />
Mais un problème reste entier: comment distinguer le vrai du faux psychopathe (le fou en Français de base) et l&#8217;empecher de passer à l&#8217;acte: d&#8217;où les macabres faits divers qui viennent des USA tous les semestres!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/reason-from-unreason/#comment-9758</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Lack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your comment reminds me of something I discovered on my recent vacation that I wanted to investigate further.  I took my kids to Northumberland - to see Hadrian&#039;s Wall.  It would appear that the Romans crossed the English Channel but not the River Rhine - why was that?  I know they found gold and all sorts of other mineral resources here but, surely, northern Europe has just as much to offer - so why was it left outside the Empire?

As for Islam, the BBC did a recent 3-part series on the &lt;em&gt;Life of Muhammad&lt;/em&gt;, which I really enjoyed.  I was particularly fascinated by the ways in which M was initially excluded from his ancestral community and sought peaceful co-existence with both Jews and Christians... but in the end the blood-lust took over and he or his followers started slaughtering people just like their ancestors had always done in order to solve problems...  The BBC also did a recent series on &lt;em&gt;The Crusades&lt;/em&gt; - massive amounts of autocratic mind games (i.e. promises of eternal salvation conditional on doing what someone else wants you to do) and blood-lust on both sides...  

At the end of it all, sadly, I was even more convinced than I had been before that all you really need to know about M is the name of the supernatural being he says told him to write... (very probably the same one that spoke to Joseph Smith and Charles Russell and many others like them)...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment reminds me of something I discovered on my recent vacation that I wanted to investigate further.  I took my kids to Northumberland &#8211; to see Hadrian&#8217;s Wall.  It would appear that the Romans crossed the English Channel but not the River Rhine &#8211; why was that?  I know they found gold and all sorts of other mineral resources here but, surely, northern Europe has just as much to offer &#8211; so why was it left outside the Empire?</p>
<p>As for Islam, the BBC did a recent 3-part series on the <em>Life of Muhammad</em>, which I really enjoyed.  I was particularly fascinated by the ways in which M was initially excluded from his ancestral community and sought peaceful co-existence with both Jews and Christians&#8230; but in the end the blood-lust took over and he or his followers started slaughtering people just like their ancestors had always done in order to solve problems&#8230;  The BBC also did a recent series on <em>The Crusades</em> &#8211; massive amounts of autocratic mind games (i.e. promises of eternal salvation conditional on doing what someone else wants you to do) and blood-lust on both sides&#8230;  </p>
<p>At the end of it all, sadly, I was even more convinced than I had been before that all you really need to know about M is the name of the supernatural being he says told him to write&#8230; (very probably the same one that spoke to Joseph Smith and Charles Russell and many others like them)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Martin: The banner you use on that site says much:
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Holy Scripture can be explained in a multiplicity of senses, [and] one should adhere to a particular explanation only in such measure as to be ready to abandon it if it be proved with certainty to be false, lest Holy Scripture be exposed to the ridicule of unbelievers, and obstacles be placed to their believing...&quot; (Thomas Aquinas, 1273 AD)&lt;/em&gt;

And indeed the fact is that the &#039;four founding doctors&quot; of Xtianism (Ambrose, Augustine, etc.) pushed for the fact the Bible ought to be interpreted (that&#039;s all what the Jews do with the Thorah). They had little choice: the Franks, who were the sharp edge of the Roman army, were deeply hostile to Xtianism, and breathing down the necks of the bishops. Thus they had to give in on important points. An important consequence was the separation of secular and religious law, that Justinian decided to impose circa 540 CE. There too, he had little choice. He wanted to reconquer the Western empire, and he could not afford to antagonize the Franks, as he fought the Goths. By then, the Imperium Francorum had pretty much united Francia and (most of) Germania.

It goes without saying that, after Ali and Aischa&#039; s defeat circa 660CE, allegorical and metaphorical interpretation of the Qur&#039;an, to make it more progressive, was never a strong point of Islam. (Aischa had been very explicit about that, especially in connection with women lib.)
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Martin: The banner you use on that site says much:<br />
<em>&#8220;Holy Scripture can be explained in a multiplicity of senses, [and] one should adhere to a particular explanation only in such measure as to be ready to abandon it if it be proved with certainty to be false, lest Holy Scripture be exposed to the ridicule of unbelievers, and obstacles be placed to their believing&#8230;&#8221; (Thomas Aquinas, 1273 AD)</em></p>
<p>And indeed the fact is that the &#8216;four founding doctors&#8221; of Xtianism (Ambrose, Augustine, etc.) pushed for the fact the Bible ought to be interpreted (that&#8217;s all what the Jews do with the Thorah). They had little choice: the Franks, who were the sharp edge of the Roman army, were deeply hostile to Xtianism, and breathing down the necks of the bishops. Thus they had to give in on important points. An important consequence was the separation of secular and religious law, that Justinian decided to impose circa 540 CE. There too, he had little choice. He wanted to reconquer the Western empire, and he could not afford to antagonize the Franks, as he fought the Goths. By then, the Imperium Francorum had pretty much united Francia and (most of) Germania.</p>
<p>It goes without saying that, after Ali and Aischa&#8217; s defeat circa 660CE, allegorical and metaphorical interpretation of the Qur&#8217;an, to make it more progressive, was never a strong point of Islam. (Aischa had been very explicit about that, especially in connection with women lib.)<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the other hand, St Augustine was quite sensible, rational, and pragmatic when it came to reading his Bible (especially those bits that are clearly not meant to be taken literally).
http://www.falsifiabletheology.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/did-darwin-kill-god.html

Please don&#039;t leave comments on my old &lt;em&gt;Falsifiable Theology&lt;/em&gt; blog  - I am not even sure i could reply (even if I wanted to).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, St Augustine was quite sensible, rational, and pragmatic when it came to reading his Bible (especially those bits that are clearly not meant to be taken literally).<br />
<a href="http://www.falsifiabletheology.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/did-darwin-kill-god.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.falsifiabletheology.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/did-darwin-kill-god.html</a></p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t leave comments on my old <em>Falsifiable Theology</em> blog  &#8211; I am not even sure i could reply (even if I wanted to).</p>
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