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		<title>By: Rebellis</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/wwii-details-worth-examining/#comment-9919</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rebellis writes:
not only American plutocrats and financiers, but our close cousins too, that were more anti-Bolcheviks than anti-Nazis

&quot;Even after Hitler&#039;s advent, the British continued to consider France more of a threat to British security than Germany. Great Britain, too adherent to its policy of balance of power in Europe, did a dangerous miscalculation in weighing and comparing the belligerence and preponderance of Germany and France

&quot;Many Tories feared bolshevism, and stupid ones thought of Hitler as a sort of guarantee against future encroachments westward on the part of Russia. England and Germany should be allies against Russia, the great communist enemy&quot;

The city of London, with enormous investment in Germany, allowed itself to be dazzled by the spurious brilliance of Dr. Schacht.
A great many powerful persons in Britain hated France and the French, and therefore tended to be pro-German&quot;

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/sp/jungkyu/jungkyu_02.html#factors]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebellis writes:<br />
not only American plutocrats and financiers, but our close cousins too, that were more anti-Bolcheviks than anti-Nazis</p>
<p>&#8220;Even after Hitler&#8217;s advent, the British continued to consider France more of a threat to British security than Germany. Great Britain, too adherent to its policy of balance of power in Europe, did a dangerous miscalculation in weighing and comparing the belligerence and preponderance of Germany and France</p>
<p>&#8220;Many Tories feared bolshevism, and stupid ones thought of Hitler as a sort of guarantee against future encroachments westward on the part of Russia. England and Germany should be allies against Russia, the great communist enemy&#8221;</p>
<p>The city of London, with enormous investment in Germany, allowed itself to be dazzled by the spurious brilliance of Dr. Schacht.<br />
A great many powerful persons in Britain hated France and the French, and therefore tended to be pro-German&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zum.de/whkmla/sp/jungkyu/jungkyu_02.html#factors" rel="nofollow">http://www.zum.de/whkmla/sp/jungkyu/jungkyu_02.html#factors</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Pieceofcake: As I reminded on &quot;WWII Details Worth Examining&quot;, Hitler did not start the Nazi Party. Nobel Philip Lenard and generalissimo Luddendorf, among other famous Germans were in that Party, when Hitler was just paid to spy on it, by the Bavarian police.

The theory that &lt;strong&gt;the Jews were the superior race, and the antisemites the inferior ones was loudly started by Nietzsche&lt;/strong&gt;, who added, tongue in cheek, that, because the two groups were obviously incompatible, the antisemites ought to be deported outside Germany. All of this more than 50 years before the Nazi craziness... Showing the later was a long installed cultural mood...  

It was more than a theory too: the Nazis were, fundamentally, ignorant brutes. Hitler himself, in April 1945, recognized that the Slavs had proven a superior race to the Germans. Corollary: if he had known better, earlier, he would not have attacked the superior race.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pieceofcake: As I reminded on &#8220;WWII Details Worth Examining&#8221;, Hitler did not start the Nazi Party. Nobel Philip Lenard and generalissimo Luddendorf, among other famous Germans were in that Party, when Hitler was just paid to spy on it, by the Bavarian police.</p>
<p>The theory that <strong>the Jews were the superior race, and the antisemites the inferior ones was loudly started by Nietzsche</strong>, who added, tongue in cheek, that, because the two groups were obviously incompatible, the antisemites ought to be deported outside Germany. All of this more than 50 years before the Nazi craziness&#8230; Showing the later was a long installed cultural mood&#8230;  </p>
<p>It was more than a theory too: the Nazis were, fundamentally, ignorant brutes. Hitler himself, in April 1945, recognized that the Slavs had proven a superior race to the Germans. Corollary: if he had known better, earlier, he would not have attacked the superior race.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: pieceofcake</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/wwii-details-worth-examining/#comment-9777</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[which reminds me - that makes conspiracis so difficult - There are soo many different groups, organisations, nations who constantly work on all kind of &#039;conspiracies&#039; and then another &#039;conspiracy&#039; prevails - Who could have &#039;thunked&#039; it that &#039;das Merkel&#039; as a funny German paper ones called &#039;our Bundeskanzlerin&#039; could become a&#039; &#039;Bundeskanzlerin&#039; or I remember the times when President Hilary was a shoe-in - and then something happened - like a Twitt insults the British Olympics and then 5000 American-Brits are tipping the scale at the next electon for Obama - and the Washiington Post writes: It was &#039;the Black Vote&#039;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which reminds me &#8211; that makes conspiracis so difficult &#8211; There are soo many different groups, organisations, nations who constantly work on all kind of &#8216;conspiracies&#8217; and then another &#8216;conspiracy&#8217; prevails &#8211; Who could have &#8216;thunked&#8217; it that &#8216;das Merkel&#8217; as a funny German paper ones called &#8216;our Bundeskanzlerin&#8217; could become a&#8217; &#8216;Bundeskanzlerin&#8217; or I remember the times when President Hilary was a shoe-in &#8211; and then something happened &#8211; like a Twitt insults the British Olympics and then 5000 American-Brits are tipping the scale at the next electon for Obama &#8211; and the Washiington Post writes: It was &#8216;the Black Vote&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: pieceofcake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Patrice - I just don&#039;t know - and I have this very good jewish friend who has this theory that the story of Nazi Germany is the story of the &#039;Untermenschen&#039; -(Nazi thugs) - against die &#039;Herrenmenschen&#039; -(the German-Jewish Intellectuals) - and as this Jewish friend of mine is a comedian - he copied the nasty German words by purpose. And I have know idea if his &#039;theory&#039; is right -(as much as yor theory about &#039;American plutocratic influence&#039; - The only thing I know  - that in chaotic and confusing times there are so many -(&#039;contradictionary) influences that what prevails often seems to happen by accident. Let&#039;s say Hitler would have been accepted by this Jewish professor to the Viennese Art-academy - we nowadays wouldn&#039;t have any clips on - You-tube where he orders a Pizza!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Patrice &#8211; I just don&#8217;t know &#8211; and I have this very good jewish friend who has this theory that the story of Nazi Germany is the story of the &#8216;Untermenschen&#8217; -(Nazi thugs) &#8211; against die &#8216;Herrenmenschen&#8217; -(the German-Jewish Intellectuals) &#8211; and as this Jewish friend of mine is a comedian &#8211; he copied the nasty German words by purpose. And I have know idea if his &#8216;theory&#8217; is right -(as much as yor theory about &#8216;American plutocratic influence&#8217; &#8211; The only thing I know  &#8211; that in chaotic and confusing times there are so many -(&#8216;contradictionary) influences that what prevails often seems to happen by accident. Let&#8217;s say Hitler would have been accepted by this Jewish professor to the Viennese Art-academy &#8211; we nowadays wouldn&#8217;t have any clips on &#8211; You-tube where he orders a Pizza!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Pieceofcake:
&lt;strong&gt;Evil can be spawned by some, amplified by others&lt;/strong&gt;. Just as in an electronic circuit. Anglo-Saxon plutocracy put the seeds of Nazism, in many ways, in an extremely fertile soil. 

&lt;em&gt;Could, without American plutocratic influence whatsoever, Nazism have happened in Germany?&lt;/em&gt; I don&#039;t think so. The reason is that the European Union would have been launched in 1920s and 1930s, instead of having to wait for the late 1940s. There were dedicated men of peace and Franco-German unification, on both sides of Rhine, and they dominated the national assemblies. The ideas they pushed were implemented after 1947. 

The German civil war in 1932 was alimented and financed by arm trafficking from American plutocrats (at least 10,000 opponents to the Nazis were assassinated by American made guns, typically Brownings...).

It&#039;s pretty obvious that American plutocrats (Ford, who hated Wall $treet, and Wall $treet, who hated Ford, IBM, Oilocrats like Standard Oil, Texaco, etc.) disliked the idea of Franco-German unification. Nazism was a way to combat this, among other things. The anti-European bias then, or today, is fairly obvious, just read the American financial-economic commentariat. Even Krugman, who claims to be pro-EU, keeps presenting dissembling posts and essays about it.

Starting in 1934, the USA was in a sort of cold war with the French Republic. It was all about Nazism, deep down. In 1944, the USA intended to occupy France, as if the French republic which had declared war TO Hitler in 1939, was just the Third Reich! They had prepared a fake currency, fake prefects, etc.: they were better prepared than the Nazis themselves, to occupy France!

It did not happen, because the a full reborn French army was in the way (one million men plus one million reserve, all with combat experience, not counting millions of soldiers still prisoner in Deutschland). 

So evil can be amplified. Right now the threat is not a racist ideology. Racism was handy for war, but too few people believe in it now. So what&#039;s ideal? &lt;strong&gt;CO2 built-up&lt;/strong&gt;. Of course, American plutocrats don&#039;t wake in the middle of the night, wanting to make more CO2 tomorrow. But they feel, that, at worse, &quot;climate change&quot; will lead to war, and that, the USA can handle, and even thrive from. The USA and its poodle, China, produce 40% of the world CO2. Notice that the relationship USA-China is eerily similar to the relation USA-Germany in the 1920s... A difference, though, is that China has learned a lot in the last century, not to say 3,000 years... And is conscious that it could be manipulated now, as Germany was, then.
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pieceofcake:<br />
<strong>Evil can be spawned by some, amplified by others</strong>. Just as in an electronic circuit. Anglo-Saxon plutocracy put the seeds of Nazism, in many ways, in an extremely fertile soil. </p>
<p><em>Could, without American plutocratic influence whatsoever, Nazism have happened in Germany?</em> I don&#8217;t think so. The reason is that the European Union would have been launched in 1920s and 1930s, instead of having to wait for the late 1940s. There were dedicated men of peace and Franco-German unification, on both sides of Rhine, and they dominated the national assemblies. The ideas they pushed were implemented after 1947. </p>
<p>The German civil war in 1932 was alimented and financed by arm trafficking from American plutocrats (at least 10,000 opponents to the Nazis were assassinated by American made guns, typically Brownings&#8230;).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty obvious that American plutocrats (Ford, who hated Wall $treet, and Wall $treet, who hated Ford, IBM, Oilocrats like Standard Oil, Texaco, etc.) disliked the idea of Franco-German unification. Nazism was a way to combat this, among other things. The anti-European bias then, or today, is fairly obvious, just read the American financial-economic commentariat. Even Krugman, who claims to be pro-EU, keeps presenting dissembling posts and essays about it.</p>
<p>Starting in 1934, the USA was in a sort of cold war with the French Republic. It was all about Nazism, deep down. In 1944, the USA intended to occupy France, as if the French republic which had declared war TO Hitler in 1939, was just the Third Reich! They had prepared a fake currency, fake prefects, etc.: they were better prepared than the Nazis themselves, to occupy France!</p>
<p>It did not happen, because the a full reborn French army was in the way (one million men plus one million reserve, all with combat experience, not counting millions of soldiers still prisoner in Deutschland). </p>
<p>So evil can be amplified. Right now the threat is not a racist ideology. Racism was handy for war, but too few people believe in it now. So what&#8217;s ideal? <strong>CO2 built-up</strong>. Of course, American plutocrats don&#8217;t wake in the middle of the night, wanting to make more CO2 tomorrow. But they feel, that, at worse, &#8220;climate change&#8221; will lead to war, and that, the USA can handle, and even thrive from. The USA and its poodle, China, produce 40% of the world CO2. Notice that the relationship USA-China is eerily similar to the relation USA-Germany in the 1920s&#8230; A difference, though, is that China has learned a lot in the last century, not to say 3,000 years&#8230; And is conscious that it could be manipulated now, as Germany was, then.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: pieceofcake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is not much to answer for me - because there is hardly anything to dispute - not even that &#039;the mood was rabid in Germany at the time&#039;. My question always is - what I should learn from that - and I already answered what I learned from the fact that a rabid dog got so powerful.
Which connects to your point 
1. Where the only thing I disagree is your thought that it could happen to the US.
(just not &#039;organized&#039; well enough - in a positive way) -and about point 

2. Wherever people are afraid to lose &#039;their money&#039; they get mighty nasty - and that has very little to do with &#039;Plutocrats etc&#039;. - it&#039;s just the most simple and primitive reaction of simple and primitive people - perhaps not unlike the reaction of the brown, dumb and idiotic masses of Nazi Germany who elected one of theirs - The big difference - a lot happened in the last 60 years and it seems to be -(as not only Baden Wuerttemberg proves) - that the dumb and simple idiots in Europe are definitively in the minority - and we got to work with that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is not much to answer for me &#8211; because there is hardly anything to dispute &#8211; not even that &#8216;the mood was rabid in Germany at the time&#8217;. My question always is &#8211; what I should learn from that &#8211; and I already answered what I learned from the fact that a rabid dog got so powerful.<br />
Which connects to your point<br />
1. Where the only thing I disagree is your thought that it could happen to the US.<br />
(just not &#8216;organized&#8217; well enough &#8211; in a positive way) -and about point </p>
<p>2. Wherever people are afraid to lose &#8216;their money&#8217; they get mighty nasty &#8211; and that has very little to do with &#8216;Plutocrats etc&#8217;. &#8211; it&#8217;s just the most simple and primitive reaction of simple and primitive people &#8211; perhaps not unlike the reaction of the brown, dumb and idiotic masses of Nazi Germany who elected one of theirs &#8211; The big difference &#8211; a lot happened in the last 60 years and it seems to be -(as not only Baden Wuerttemberg proves) &#8211; that the dumb and simple idiots in Europe are definitively in the minority &#8211; and we got to work with that!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Partha! Indeed &quot;Hitler was a rabid dog&quot; as a final explanation, is pretty much a cover-up. And the methods used then to manipulate public opinion, are fully functional today again (as shown, say by the most common discourses about the euro crisis, which accuses the... commons, in the sort of masochism fully in evidence during most fascist episodes.) Ultimately, it has to do with the corruption of official civilization by an entanglement of conspiracies, an aging of the political organism... That is why the movement against corruption in India is a very good thing... Which ought to be generalized.
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Partha! Indeed &#8220;Hitler was a rabid dog&#8221; as a final explanation, is pretty much a cover-up. And the methods used then to manipulate public opinion, are fully functional today again (as shown, say by the most common discourses about the euro crisis, which accuses the&#8230; commons, in the sort of masochism fully in evidence during most fascist episodes.) Ultimately, it has to do with the corruption of official civilization by an entanglement of conspiracies, an aging of the political organism&#8230; That is why the movement against corruption in India is a very good thing&#8230; Which ought to be generalized.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pieceofcake: Another point to answer one of yours. Hitler, was no doubt, as you put it, &quot;a rabid dog&quot;. However he was not barking alone. The Gestapo had only 7,000 officers to hold all of 80 million Germans in 1939. Wheras the Stasi needed more than 170,000 officers to hold down 17 million East Germans. As Goebbels joked: the Third Reich was a &quot;total democracy&quot;.
What was rabid was the mood in Germany at the time, not just one little Austrian who was anxious to show to the Germans that he was more German than them (although possibly of very recent part Jewish ancestry, as Hitler obviously knew!)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pieceofcake: Another point to answer one of yours. Hitler, was no doubt, as you put it, &#8220;a rabid dog&#8221;. However he was not barking alone. The Gestapo had only 7,000 officers to hold all of 80 million Germans in 1939. Wheras the Stasi needed more than 170,000 officers to hold down 17 million East Germans. As Goebbels joked: the Third Reich was a &#8220;total democracy&#8221;.<br />
What was rabid was the mood in Germany at the time, not just one little Austrian who was anxious to show to the Germans that he was more German than them (although possibly of very recent part Jewish ancestry, as Hitler obviously knew!)<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Pieceofcake: Nobody is accusing present Baden-Württemberg to be goose stepping. And I agree with the frugality too. However:

1) that does not prevent Hitler and company, especially company, to be used as the warning to civilization they constitute. Don&#039;t forget Germany had the highest literacy rate, say around 1900 CE. But the essential of this mental performance was used for evil ends between 1914 and 1945 (Nietzsche wants to lodge a protest, and points out that the herd phenomenon, the Prussian goose stepping, the rabid racism and militarism, started before 1870, and that even he, Nietzsche, was initially dragged into it...) What happened to Germany could happen to the USA, or China.

2) and the fact remains that the present euro crisis has been an accusation fest against the populations of various countries, whereas the real culprits are the financial-industrial system the global plutocrats and their obsequious servants have set-up... And that was exactly the force behind Hitler and the Nazis. After 1918, German plutocracy (greatly the author of the aggression of 1914) became a subsidiary of Americano-British plutocracy (part of it even Jewish, see the Warburg saga! Not to speak of the rothschild, and the Nazis, and fascismo themselves played with these concepts, as they ran against... the plutocracy which instigated them, a bit like Obama ran for change and against the status quo, while embracing it...).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pieceofcake: Nobody is accusing present Baden-Württemberg to be goose stepping. And I agree with the frugality too. However:</p>
<p>1) that does not prevent Hitler and company, especially company, to be used as the warning to civilization they constitute. Don&#8217;t forget Germany had the highest literacy rate, say around 1900 CE. But the essential of this mental performance was used for evil ends between 1914 and 1945 (Nietzsche wants to lodge a protest, and points out that the herd phenomenon, the Prussian goose stepping, the rabid racism and militarism, started before 1870, and that even he, Nietzsche, was initially dragged into it&#8230;) What happened to Germany could happen to the USA, or China.</p>
<p>2) and the fact remains that the present euro crisis has been an accusation fest against the populations of various countries, whereas the real culprits are the financial-industrial system the global plutocrats and their obsequious servants have set-up&#8230; And that was exactly the force behind Hitler and the Nazis. After 1918, German plutocracy (greatly the author of the aggression of 1914) became a subsidiary of Americano-British plutocracy (part of it even Jewish, see the Warburg saga! Not to speak of the rothschild, and the Nazis, and fascismo themselves played with these concepts, as they ran against&#8230; the plutocracy which instigated them, a bit like Obama ran for change and against the status quo, while embracing it&#8230;).<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: pieceofcake</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[whatever - &#039;hitler&#039; - &#039;nazis&#039;- gone thanks god since a long time and very little &#039;goosestepping&#039; left in this part of Germany where the Greens run the State -and Baden-Wuerttemberg is a very wealthy State and NOBODY I know is that much into teh &#039;Bundesbank&#039; - just a lot of pretty low keyed people you can&#039;t blame if they are much harder on themselves -(about frugality) -
than anybody else -
(and see it rhymed!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever &#8211; &#8216;hitler&#8217; &#8211; &#8216;nazis&#8217;- gone thanks god since a long time and very little &#8216;goosestepping&#8217; left in this part of Germany where the Greens run the State -and Baden-Wuerttemberg is a very wealthy State and NOBODY I know is that much into teh &#8216;Bundesbank&#8217; &#8211; just a lot of pretty low keyed people you can&#8217;t blame if they are much harder on themselves -(about frugality) -<br />
than anybody else -<br />
(and see it rhymed!)</p>
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