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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Martin: Very rushed right now, I have a half Pluto event to attend do (behind enemy lines!), I should b on the road. I did not notice something you say about Montford... A fascinating subject that brought, in multiple ironies, the Roman Republic style direct democracy to London, through Toulouse...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Martin: Very rushed right now, I have a half Pluto event to attend do (behind enemy lines!), I should b on the road. I did not notice something you say about Montford&#8230; A fascinating subject that brought, in multiple ironies, the Roman Republic style direct democracy to London, through Toulouse&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/create-a-new-branch-of-government-truth/#comment-9845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Lack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the explanation, Patrice.  Did I misunderstand your comment about Montford trying to become king?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation, Patrice.  Did I misunderstand your comment about Montford trying to become king?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/create-a-new-branch-of-government-truth/#comment-9844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Paul: Thanks for the support. However I think that modern contemporary societies depend even more on truth than justice (obviously, as society has kept on going so far, in spite of the blossoming injustice of plutocracy!) Moreover we have Truth (Sub) Systems all over (including the Justice System). 

So I propose to institutionalize the reality we depend upon. A Truth System, separated and equal to the Justice System, the Legislative, or the Executive, not just a Commission. 

Of course, in practice one could start with a Commmission, just like the Euro was started as a plutocratic system, not a full democratic currency. (But, precisely, as one can see, with the Euro, there is a danger that one gets stuck with a half baked good, not edible, and ready to rot...)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul: Thanks for the support. However I think that modern contemporary societies depend even more on truth than justice (obviously, as society has kept on going so far, in spite of the blossoming injustice of plutocracy!) Moreover we have Truth (Sub) Systems all over (including the Justice System). </p>
<p>So I propose to institutionalize the reality we depend upon. A Truth System, separated and equal to the Justice System, the Legislative, or the Executive, not just a Commission. </p>
<p>Of course, in practice one could start with a Commmission, just like the Euro was started as a plutocratic system, not a full democratic currency. (But, precisely, as one can see, with the Euro, there is a danger that one gets stuck with a half baked good, not edible, and ready to rot&#8230;)<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Martin: In the USA, the &quot;judiciary&quot; is equivalently called the &quot;Justice Sytem&quot;. Exactly the same in France. I do not know much about Britain, where a special semantics and strange distinctions are operative (&quot;&lt;em&gt;barrister&lt;/em&gt;&quot; versus &quot;&lt;em&gt;sollicitor&lt;/em&gt;&quot;, etc.), and a brand new Supreme Court was set-up, in one of Bliar&#039;s rare achievements...
It is Orwellian at first hear, indeed, until one realizes that truth is what gets victimized first in all dictatorship, and the worlds Orwell describes. Our society depends completely on truth. Boeing and Airbus produce, first, truth. And that&#039;s how they fly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Martin: In the USA, the &#8220;judiciary&#8221; is equivalently called the &#8220;Justice Sytem&#8221;. Exactly the same in France. I do not know much about Britain, where a special semantics and strange distinctions are operative (&#8220;<em>barrister</em>&#8221; versus &#8220;<em>sollicitor</em>&#8220;, etc.), and a brand new Supreme Court was set-up, in one of Bliar&#8217;s rare achievements&#8230;<br />
It is Orwellian at first hear, indeed, until one realizes that truth is what gets victimized first in all dictatorship, and the worlds Orwell describes. Our society depends completely on truth. Boeing and Airbus produce, first, truth. And that&#8217;s how they fly.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/create-a-new-branch-of-government-truth/#comment-9842</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Partha: I agree with you. Some enforcement may be necessary. However, it could be indirect. And I proposed this a bit tongue in cheek, historically referring explicitly to the Roman Senate, which had only &quot;&lt;em&gt;counsels&lt;/em&gt;&quot; to give. In truth, they were a bit more than that. (By the time of the Principate, under Tiberius, three centuries after its heydays, the Senate ordered (a few) executions.) 

So the &lt;em&gt;Truth System&lt;/em&gt; could advise, counsel the National Assembly (&quot;Congress&quot;), or the existing &lt;em&gt;Justice System&lt;/em&gt; that a violation of Truth is happening. One does not want to do as in the USA where a zillion of armed enforcement agencies (DEA, ATF, FBI, and countless acronyms I forgot, more or less shooting at each other, at least verbally).
The idea is to hitch a ride on existing systems, such as academia as much as possible. Peer review would be universal, modulo the Internet (so strenuous, plausible objections would get priority as minority opinions, if they make somehow sense). In science too, &quot;truth&quot; is long in coming, often, and sometimes, the theater of multi century, or multi millennial controversies. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Partha: I agree with you. Some enforcement may be necessary. However, it could be indirect. And I proposed this a bit tongue in cheek, historically referring explicitly to the Roman Senate, which had only &#8220;<em>counsels</em>&#8221; to give. In truth, they were a bit more than that. (By the time of the Principate, under Tiberius, three centuries after its heydays, the Senate ordered (a few) executions.) </p>
<p>So the <em>Truth System</em> could advise, counsel the National Assembly (&#8220;Congress&#8221;), or the existing <em>Justice System</em> that a violation of Truth is happening. One does not want to do as in the USA where a zillion of armed enforcement agencies (DEA, ATF, FBI, and countless acronyms I forgot, more or less shooting at each other, at least verbally).<br />
The idea is to hitch a ride on existing systems, such as academia as much as possible. Peer review would be universal, modulo the Internet (so strenuous, plausible objections would get priority as minority opinions, if they make somehow sense). In science too, &#8220;truth&#8221; is long in coming, often, and sometimes, the theater of multi century, or multi millennial controversies.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Handover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 16:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eugen, I was reflecting about your responses earlier this morning and have to admit that I was being a bit too &#039;uptight&#039; about the aspects of promotion that you raised.  I have a fear of overbearing Governments and much prefer a society that tends towards more freedom.  But the challenge of freedom is that is allows the freedom to do harm as well as good.  Clearly there are going to be conflicts, for example, between companies whose duty to their owners is to provide a return to those that lend risk capital and the health of society in terms of food, smoking, etc.

If Governments were truly &#039;of the people, for the people, by the people&#039; freedoms would be moderated by those laws of the State that were in the interests of the common peoples. But, alas, that seems to be a wistful dream just now.

While the detail of a Truth Commission would offer many challenges in turning it into a democratic reality, the idea is one that has much potential and merit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugen, I was reflecting about your responses earlier this morning and have to admit that I was being a bit too &#8216;uptight&#8217; about the aspects of promotion that you raised.  I have a fear of overbearing Governments and much prefer a society that tends towards more freedom.  But the challenge of freedom is that is allows the freedom to do harm as well as good.  Clearly there are going to be conflicts, for example, between companies whose duty to their owners is to provide a return to those that lend risk capital and the health of society in terms of food, smoking, etc.</p>
<p>If Governments were truly &#8216;of the people, for the people, by the people&#8217; freedoms would be moderated by those laws of the State that were in the interests of the common peoples. But, alas, that seems to be a wistful dream just now.</p>
<p>While the detail of a Truth Commission would offer many challenges in turning it into a democratic reality, the idea is one that has much potential and merit.</p>
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		<title>By: pshakkottai</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dear Patrice: 
Re: I am not proposing to shut down the present truth seeking systems, nor that the Truth System could exert any material power, just spiritual guidance.
My guess is that it will not be sufficient. The truth agency must have the power to prevent falsehoods from being propagated. For example things like “unsustainable deficits” and “national debt” being a burden on future generations which is patently untrue but the opposite is the propagated view. It would essentially have to censor what is propagated by the media and must have the authority to punish repeated violations. The members of this agency have to be prequalified and can’t be selected by popular vote. They should include scientists and philosophers and lawyers (but not exclusively) and men of letters and must be selected by their peers. Initially an ad-hoc committee may start the whole process. It requires a large supporting staff which may be selected as normal federal employees of the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear Patrice:<br />
Re: I am not proposing to shut down the present truth seeking systems, nor that the Truth System could exert any material power, just spiritual guidance.<br />
My guess is that it will not be sufficient. The truth agency must have the power to prevent falsehoods from being propagated. For example things like “unsustainable deficits” and “national debt” being a burden on future generations which is patently untrue but the opposite is the propagated view. It would essentially have to censor what is propagated by the media and must have the authority to punish repeated violations. The members of this agency have to be prequalified and can’t be selected by popular vote. They should include scientists and philosophers and lawyers (but not exclusively) and men of letters and must be selected by their peers. Initially an ad-hoc committee may start the whole process. It requires a large supporting staff which may be selected as normal federal employees of the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Lack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Ministry of Truth sounds somewhat Orwellian to me but, I agree with your praise of Nelson Mandela; and your comments about the folly of India and Pakistan, etc..

However, at the risk of being pedantic, I think you mean &#039;judiciary&#039; rather than &#039;justice&#039; and, unless I am misunderstanding what you art trying to say (because I am not familiar with the history) &#039;abrogated&#039; rather than &#039;attributed&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Ministry of Truth sounds somewhat Orwellian to me but, I agree with your praise of Nelson Mandela; and your comments about the folly of India and Pakistan, etc..</p>
<p>However, at the risk of being pedantic, I think you mean &#8216;judiciary&#8217; rather than &#8216;justice&#8217; and, unless I am misunderstanding what you art trying to say (because I am not familiar with the history) &#8216;abrogated&#8217; rather than &#8216;attributed&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear John Michael: It is not the same in the rest of the world. The USA is becoming increasingly plutocratic, relative to its own history, and relative to other countries. Most democracies have public financing of electoral campaigns. 

In France the controls are extremely strict. TV, radio and media exposure is strenously controlled by an independent agency. Just after the end of his presidential immunity, a massive descent of judges, bailiffs and police was made on ex-president Sarkozy&#039;s homes, offices, files and computers. He is suspected to have received plutocratic contributions of the order of... $200,000 . Yes, much less than a million dollars. 

If confirmed, there is no doubt Sarkozy will go to trial, and then, probably, jail. Obama uses the presidential plane and go sleep with the Silicon Valley plutocrats, to raise millions a day, and has been doing that for months. In France, when Sarkozy started to go around with the presidential planes, he was asked, by the powers that be, such as the &lt;em&gt;Electoral Commission&lt;/em&gt;, the &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Conseil D&#039;Etat &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;(no equivalent in the USA, the state legal counsel, and protector of citizens in their interaction with the State, an independent court), and the &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Constitutional Court &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;(no equivalent in the USA), to declare his candidacy (and then strenuous control of his activities was mandatory). 

Conclusion of all these checks and balance of the democracy on the State: the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Parti Socialiste &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;won the French presidential election, and then the legislatives (they already controlled the Senate and the regions). Hence the Financial Transaction Tax is the law in France (as of August 1, 2012). Also the 75% margin tax rate. Plutocrats are not pleased. 

However, they act submissive, like lions trying to bite the whip, but carefully crawling back on their bellies. The billionairess Bettencourt, third biggest fortune in France, just sold the island she owned in the Seychelles, making three times the profit, claiming it was all a big mistake, and accepting to pay the 75% tax... On top of a six million euros fine, plus taxes to the Seychelles nation...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John Michael: It is not the same in the rest of the world. The USA is becoming increasingly plutocratic, relative to its own history, and relative to other countries. Most democracies have public financing of electoral campaigns. </p>
<p>In France the controls are extremely strict. TV, radio and media exposure is strenously controlled by an independent agency. Just after the end of his presidential immunity, a massive descent of judges, bailiffs and police was made on ex-president Sarkozy&#8217;s homes, offices, files and computers. He is suspected to have received plutocratic contributions of the order of&#8230; $200,000 . Yes, much less than a million dollars. </p>
<p>If confirmed, there is no doubt Sarkozy will go to trial, and then, probably, jail. Obama uses the presidential plane and go sleep with the Silicon Valley plutocrats, to raise millions a day, and has been doing that for months. In France, when Sarkozy started to go around with the presidential planes, he was asked, by the powers that be, such as the <em>Electoral Commission</em>, the <em><strong>Conseil D&#8217;Etat </strong></em>(no equivalent in the USA, the state legal counsel, and protector of citizens in their interaction with the State, an independent court), and the <em><strong>Constitutional Court </strong></em>(no equivalent in the USA), to declare his candidacy (and then strenuous control of his activities was mandatory). </p>
<p>Conclusion of all these checks and balance of the democracy on the State: the <strong><em>Parti Socialiste </em></strong>won the French presidential election, and then the legislatives (they already controlled the Senate and the regions). Hence the Financial Transaction Tax is the law in France (as of August 1, 2012). Also the 75% margin tax rate. Plutocrats are not pleased. </p>
<p>However, they act submissive, like lions trying to bite the whip, but carefully crawling back on their bellies. The billionairess Bettencourt, third biggest fortune in France, just sold the island she owned in the Seychelles, making three times the profit, claiming it was all a big mistake, and accepting to pay the 75% tax&#8230; On top of a six million euros fine, plus taxes to the Seychelles nation&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: John Michael Gartland</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In America the plutocrats engaged in the incestuous relationship between the influential rich, the media, politicians, huge corporations, the so called Federal Reserve Bank, etc. would certainly not want the truth of the paradigm exposed to...the electorate--even if they could understand it. 

It is much easier to fan the red state/blue state divide with endless diversions that don&#039;t really make a bit of difference for anyone. As long as nobody notices that the left and the right in America are really the same and are controlled by the same puppeteers the status quo continues. 

I suspect, in varying degrees, it is the same in the rest of the world. I could see something better than this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In America the plutocrats engaged in the incestuous relationship between the influential rich, the media, politicians, huge corporations, the so called Federal Reserve Bank, etc. would certainly not want the truth of the paradigm exposed to&#8230;the electorate&#8211;even if they could understand it. </p>
<p>It is much easier to fan the red state/blue state divide with endless diversions that don&#8217;t really make a bit of difference for anyone. As long as nobody notices that the left and the right in America are really the same and are controlled by the same puppeteers the status quo continues. </p>
<p>I suspect, in varying degrees, it is the same in the rest of the world. I could see something better than this.</p>
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