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	<description>Intelligence at the core of humanism.</description>
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		<title>By: Nathan Daniel Curry</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10459</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humanism&#039;s core.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humanism&#8217;s core.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10452</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;If love is necessary to have a mind, then species with minds have love&lt;/strong&gt;. That was implicit in the sci fi conclusion of the essay...
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>If love is necessary to have a mind, then species with minds have love</strong>. That was implicit in the sci fi conclusion of the essay&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Paul: Ha ha ha, I got (verbal) complaints too, but poorly defined, too. I sensed some irritation. So I will be interested by more feedback, too. But some of the great minds who grace this site are silent, so far... I want to learn from debate too. And the essay arose from the corresponding essay on your site (which did not tell us where love came from, so I stepped in... I have suggested that idea in the past).
Notice that I never claimed that love arose &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; from &quot;intellect&quot;. &quot;Mind&quot; is more general than &quot;intellect&quot;. Surely, love comes from the mind, not just the olfactory bulb...
Tyranosopher is out there, but I am more interested in debate now, as the front of thinking moves like a super nova shock wave...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul: Ha ha ha, I got (verbal) complaints too, but poorly defined, too. I sensed some irritation. So I will be interested by more feedback, too. But some of the great minds who grace this site are silent, so far&#8230; I want to learn from debate too. And the essay arose from the corresponding essay on your site (which did not tell us where love came from, so I stepped in&#8230; I have suggested that idea in the past).<br />
Notice that I never claimed that love arose <strong><em>only</em></strong> from &#8220;intellect&#8221;. &#8220;Mind&#8221; is more general than &#8220;intellect&#8221;. Surely, love comes from the mind, not just the olfactory bulb&#8230;<br />
Tyranosopher is out there, but I am more interested in debate now, as the front of thinking moves like a super nova shock wave&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10450</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Handover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where is your Tyranosopher site?

But to the meat of this essay.

I have read it several times and for reasons that partially escape me, I can&#039;t engage with your words as I so frequently do.  It&#039;s not that I disagree with your premise, it&#039;s more to do with my sensing that love can not be just about intellect.

So I won&#039;t blather on any more, just leave it at that.  Mind you, I would be curious to hear from more of your regular followers to see if they have any idea where I am coming from!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is your Tyranosopher site?</p>
<p>But to the meat of this essay.</p>
<p>I have read it several times and for reasons that partially escape me, I can&#8217;t engage with your words as I so frequently do.  It&#8217;s not that I disagree with your premise, it&#8217;s more to do with my sensing that love can not be just about intellect.</p>
<p>So I won&#8217;t blather on any more, just leave it at that.  Mind you, I would be curious to hear from more of your regular followers to see if they have any idea where I am coming from!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Paul: But it is very worthy. As I will show in a dialogue between Xist and Tyranosopher, that is indeed a, or even the, missing piece in old moral systems...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Paul: But it is very worthy. As I will show in a dialogue between Xist and Tyranosopher, that is indeed a, or even the, missing piece in old moral systems&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Handover</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Handover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For what it’s worth, I would support the notion that the opposite of love is indifference, in other words a lack of care. At a personal level the ultimate rejection of another is not to care about them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it’s worth, I would support the notion that the opposite of love is indifference, in other words a lack of care. At a personal level the ultimate rejection of another is not to care about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Martin: I think it was discussed below, and I am going to come up with a dialogue between Jesus and Tyranosopher that will help clear things up.

What Roger Henry was saying precedingly was that hate, like love, requires high emotion. Passion, like in the &quot;passion of Christ&quot;. &lt;strong&gt;So love and hate have something in common, they share. Love and indifference share nothing.&lt;/strong&gt; 

Here is an example that may appeal to you. Better a screaming CO2 denier than someone who really could care less whether you are blowing with the wind, or not. The denier can see some of his logic denied. The one who really does not give a hoot whether everything explodes or not, there is the worst enemy.

By the way I noticed Paul&#039;s silence on the subject. I guess dogs are never indifferent (differently from cats).
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Martin: I think it was discussed below, and I am going to come up with a dialogue between Jesus and Tyranosopher that will help clear things up.</p>
<p>What Roger Henry was saying precedingly was that hate, like love, requires high emotion. Passion, like in the &#8220;passion of Christ&#8221;. <strong>So love and hate have something in common, they share. Love and indifference share nothing.</strong> </p>
<p>Here is an example that may appeal to you. Better a screaming CO2 denier than someone who really could care less whether you are blowing with the wind, or not. The denier can see some of his logic denied. The one who really does not give a hoot whether everything explodes or not, there is the worst enemy.</p>
<p>By the way I noticed Paul&#8217;s silence on the subject. I guess dogs are never indifferent (differently from cats).<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Lack</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Lack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference&quot;&lt;/em&gt;... is, at best, a questionable assertion.  

I think the opposite of love is most certainly hate; whereas the opposite of indifference is infatuation.  Discuss?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference&#8221;</em>&#8230; is, at best, a questionable assertion.  </p>
<p>I think the opposite of love is most certainly hate; whereas the opposite of indifference is infatuation.  Discuss?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/no-love-no-mind/#comment-10377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Roger: You make an excellent point. And indeed it corresponds to the symmetry breaking between Love and the (vast) &quot;Dark Side&quot; I alluded to. The &quot;Dark Side&quot; is less important, because it is not our creator. 

Now the opposite of love is, indeed, indifference. And, indeed, those capable of indifference to others are, fundamentally, prone to ignorance.
This has practical consequences. First indifference and ignorance ought to be integrated prominently to the &quot;Dark Side&quot;, and not just be viewed as innocent bystanders. All the more since...

Nowadays, there are laws against hatred (&quot;&lt;em&gt;hate crimes&lt;/em&gt;&quot;). They are a consequence of thinking deeply about what brought Nazism (the Nuremberg trial played a crucial role there; as Hermann Goering pointed out, &quot;they have ruined everything with that movie&quot;: the argument against hatred was reduced to showing an extermination camp movie). 

The murderous racial hatred in Nazism was allowed to thrive and grow, because of a form of tolerance. Tolerance, indifference to colossal hatred against the Jews, which came from respect for idiotic creeps such as Luther, Saint Louis and Saint Augustine. Tolerance, indifference to hatred, for 16 centuries (from 320 CE, say, to 1945 CE).

These anti-hatred laws are excellent, and should go further. But, they are not enough. As you point out, &lt;strong&gt;the Dark Side rests heavily on the opposites of love, indifference and ignorance&lt;/strong&gt;. An excellent example is the &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/immoral-co2-curve/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Immoral CO2 curve&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.

It&#039;s quite a bit like the position average Germans had under Nazism, or more exactly the question average Germans refused to ask, and OUGHT to have asked: &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;let&#039;s suppose the worst happens, what would that be&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, if we keep on supporting the Nazis?

Contemporary Germans have learned that meta lesson, and this is why Germany has made tremendously successful efforts towards sustainable energy (although Merkel has been deviating recently in her panic). However the USA citizens have not integrated that meta principle. And thus have led the effort against reducing CO2 reduction (although Obama has, somewhat subterreaneously done a few things). They have been indifferent to what could happen, ignorant of the situation, and its probable consequences...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Roger: You make an excellent point. And indeed it corresponds to the symmetry breaking between Love and the (vast) &#8220;Dark Side&#8221; I alluded to. The &#8220;Dark Side&#8221; is less important, because it is not our creator. </p>
<p>Now the opposite of love is, indeed, indifference. And, indeed, those capable of indifference to others are, fundamentally, prone to ignorance.<br />
This has practical consequences. First indifference and ignorance ought to be integrated prominently to the &#8220;Dark Side&#8221;, and not just be viewed as innocent bystanders. All the more since&#8230;</p>
<p>Nowadays, there are laws against hatred (&#8220;<em>hate crimes</em>&#8220;). They are a consequence of thinking deeply about what brought Nazism (the Nuremberg trial played a crucial role there; as Hermann Goering pointed out, &#8220;they have ruined everything with that movie&#8221;: the argument against hatred was reduced to showing an extermination camp movie). </p>
<p>The murderous racial hatred in Nazism was allowed to thrive and grow, because of a form of tolerance. Tolerance, indifference to colossal hatred against the Jews, which came from respect for idiotic creeps such as Luther, Saint Louis and Saint Augustine. Tolerance, indifference to hatred, for 16 centuries (from 320 CE, say, to 1945 CE).</p>
<p>These anti-hatred laws are excellent, and should go further. But, they are not enough. As you point out, <strong>the Dark Side rests heavily on the opposites of love, indifference and ignorance</strong>. An excellent example is the <em><a href="http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/immoral-co2-curve/" rel="nofollow">Immoral CO2 curve</a></em>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite a bit like the position average Germans had under Nazism, or more exactly the question average Germans refused to ask, and OUGHT to have asked: <em><strong>let&#8217;s suppose the worst happens, what would that be</strong></em>, if we keep on supporting the Nazis?</p>
<p>Contemporary Germans have learned that meta lesson, and this is why Germany has made tremendously successful efforts towards sustainable energy (although Merkel has been deviating recently in her panic). However the USA citizens have not integrated that meta principle. And thus have led the effort against reducing CO2 reduction (although Obama has, somewhat subterreaneously done a few things). They have been indifferent to what could happen, ignorant of the situation, and its probable consequences&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Henry</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is good to remember that the opposite of Love is not hate.  Both require emotional interaction and regard.
The opposite of Love is indifference.  Indifference means no emotional regard between subjects and is the essence of the absence of Love.
Indifference and ignorance are brothers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to remember that the opposite of Love is not hate.  Both require emotional interaction and regard.<br />
The opposite of Love is indifference.  Indifference means no emotional regard between subjects and is the essence of the absence of Love.<br />
Indifference and ignorance are brothers.</p>
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