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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacques: Merkel a des elections dans un an, et elle va avoir beaucoup de peine a survivre la recession qui va frapper. Elle le sait. Les petites banques allemandes font des petits traffics avec les autorites locales... Le SPD est maintenant dirige&#039; par Monsieur Propre, tres anti-plutocratique.

Il s&#039;agit de decisions majeures... La France veut garder la capacite&#039; de faire la guerre. L&#039;inflation de 1923 etait, a mon avis un phenomene politique et proto Nazi. Schacht, l&#039;ingenieur de l&#039;hyper inflation, dix ans plus tard s&#039;etait revele&#039; le plus grand support d&#039;Hitler... Et il etait depuis longtemps l&#039;instrument de JP Morgan...
Je pense que la rue peut amener une evolution imprevue. Je pense ausi que la France et l&#039;Allemagne collaborent, et que, tant qu&#039;elles collaborent, l&#039;Europe s&#039;en tirera.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques: Merkel a des elections dans un an, et elle va avoir beaucoup de peine a survivre la recession qui va frapper. Elle le sait. Les petites banques allemandes font des petits traffics avec les autorites locales&#8230; Le SPD est maintenant dirige&#8217; par Monsieur Propre, tres anti-plutocratique.</p>
<p>Il s&#8217;agit de decisions majeures&#8230; La France veut garder la capacite&#8217; de faire la guerre. L&#8217;inflation de 1923 etait, a mon avis un phenomene politique et proto Nazi. Schacht, l&#8217;ingenieur de l&#8217;hyper inflation, dix ans plus tard s&#8217;etait revele&#8217; le plus grand support d&#8217;Hitler&#8230; Et il etait depuis longtemps l&#8217;instrument de JP Morgan&#8230;<br />
Je pense que la rue peut amener une evolution imprevue. Je pense ausi que la France et l&#8217;Allemagne collaborent, et que, tant qu&#8217;elles collaborent, l&#8217;Europe s&#8217;en tirera.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: JRich</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J&#039;ai préféré attendre la fin du sommet européen, qui a dévoile&#039; les différents entre Hollande et Merkel, les uns méfiants, échaudés il y a un siècle par les conséquences de l&#039;inflation les autres ne voulant pas se plier à une stricte discipline budgétaire.
Ce n&#039;est vraiment pas à la hauteur du prix Nobel de la paix attribué à l&#039;Union Européenne! Il est vrai que celui-ci lui a été attribué sur le passé depuis 50 ans, SANS GUERRE et avec la fin de l&#039;URSS!
Jacques]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J&#8217;ai préféré attendre la fin du sommet européen, qui a dévoile&#8217; les différents entre Hollande et Merkel, les uns méfiants, échaudés il y a un siècle par les conséquences de l&#8217;inflation les autres ne voulant pas se plier à une stricte discipline budgétaire.<br />
Ce n&#8217;est vraiment pas à la hauteur du prix Nobel de la paix attribué à l&#8217;Union Européenne! Il est vrai que celui-ci lui a été attribué sur le passé depuis 50 ans, SANS GUERRE et avec la fin de l&#8217;URSS!<br />
Jacques</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/european-peace-triumph/#comment-12172</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Dominique: Thanks for bringing this fact (which I did not know) to light. What I do know was that Capitaine N&#039;Tchorere was not the only one: hundreds were assassinated, consecutive to that military feat. (I forgot where I read about that, but I read about it many times in specialized history magazines, long ago.) Psychologically the Nazis, who had to engage suicidal tactics when crossing the Meuse, suddenly found out that, although they believed France had been beaten, they still suffered heavy losses. Officially Naziland recognized 50,000 Nazi soldiers killed during the Battle of France, but various facts indicate that their losses were far higher (for example because the proportion of officers killed is too high).   

In truth it could have much worse for them, Nazis. If Petain and his fellow putschists had not called for a ceasefire, and if France had not applied stupid nationalistic reflexes such as refusing to send the hundreds of captured Nazi pilots to Canada, as the UK was asking, France could have gained air supremacy above... France, in July 1940. retreating to Algiers was also a no brainer. (The fact that was not done resulted, in my opinion, in the Franco-Algerian Civil war... which started May 8, 1945, by my own reckoning... And is still ongoing subterraneously, see the Algerian refusal to let France intervene in Mali.) 

In any case, the Nazis engaged in mass war crimes in Poland against the Poles in 1939, and in France in 1940... Practice makes perfect. Having crossed that psychological Rubicon made starting the mass massacre of Jews in June 1941 just more of the same. Overall, the Nazis applied holocaust methods to more than 30 nationalities and ethnic groups... The funny fact being that many of the top Nazis looked like embarrassingly inferior racial types, and ought to have eliminated first on purely esthetic grounds (as was pointed out at the time).

By July 1943, Von Manstein judged Hitler, whose will faltered at Kursk, to be &quot;weak&quot;. By 1945, most of the Nazis revealed themselves to be cowards. See Martha Goebbels poisoning her 6 children, although some tried to resist and live... There are no words for people like that. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dominique: Thanks for bringing this fact (which I did not know) to light. What I do know was that Capitaine N&#8217;Tchorere was not the only one: hundreds were assassinated, consecutive to that military feat. (I forgot where I read about that, but I read about it many times in specialized history magazines, long ago.) Psychologically the Nazis, who had to engage suicidal tactics when crossing the Meuse, suddenly found out that, although they believed France had been beaten, they still suffered heavy losses. Officially Naziland recognized 50,000 Nazi soldiers killed during the Battle of France, but various facts indicate that their losses were far higher (for example because the proportion of officers killed is too high).   </p>
<p>In truth it could have much worse for them, Nazis. If Petain and his fellow putschists had not called for a ceasefire, and if France had not applied stupid nationalistic reflexes such as refusing to send the hundreds of captured Nazi pilots to Canada, as the UK was asking, France could have gained air supremacy above&#8230; France, in July 1940. retreating to Algiers was also a no brainer. (The fact that was not done resulted, in my opinion, in the Franco-Algerian Civil war&#8230; which started May 8, 1945, by my own reckoning&#8230; And is still ongoing subterraneously, see the Algerian refusal to let France intervene in Mali.) </p>
<p>In any case, the Nazis engaged in mass war crimes in Poland against the Poles in 1939, and in France in 1940&#8230; Practice makes perfect. Having crossed that psychological Rubicon made starting the mass massacre of Jews in June 1941 just more of the same. Overall, the Nazis applied holocaust methods to more than 30 nationalities and ethnic groups&#8230; The funny fact being that many of the top Nazis looked like embarrassingly inferior racial types, and ought to have eliminated first on purely esthetic grounds (as was pointed out at the time).</p>
<p>By July 1943, Von Manstein judged Hitler, whose will faltered at Kursk, to be &#8220;weak&#8221;. By 1945, most of the Nazis revealed themselves to be cowards. See Martha Goebbels poisoning her 6 children, although some tried to resist and live&#8230; There are no words for people like that.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Dominique Deux</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mentioned the part of African soldiers in the Somme battle.

At last one African officer must be mentioned in this context. Captain Ntchorere has a statue and a city square in Libreville, and a monument in France as well. He found himself the surviving senior officer of a motley group of Belgian, French and African soldiers, blocking the German advance for three full days around his position in a small wood, and surrendering only for lack of ammunition. The Germans were admirative of his resistance, and enraged to find he was black.

In a development much like the fictitious River Kwai Bridge story, he refused, as an officer, to be put to work with the soldiers, and was shot by the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_N&#039;Tchoréré]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned the part of African soldiers in the Somme battle.</p>
<p>At last one African officer must be mentioned in this context. Captain Ntchorere has a statue and a city square in Libreville, and a monument in France as well. He found himself the surviving senior officer of a motley group of Belgian, French and African soldiers, blocking the German advance for three full days around his position in a small wood, and surrendering only for lack of ammunition. The Germans were admirative of his resistance, and enraged to find he was black.</p>
<p>In a development much like the fictitious River Kwai Bridge story, he refused, as an officer, to be put to work with the soldiers, and was shot by the Nazis.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_N&#039;Tchoréré" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_N&#039;Tchoréré</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 04:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Nathan I tool so long to reply I was lost in the maya of an essay reaching new heights of logical twistiness... Lost in &lt;em&gt;ma-ya&lt;/em&gt;? Lost in &lt;em&gt;Not-That&lt;/em&gt;? Vielleicht, vee Haf Hat ein Mizunterztandink. &lt;strong&gt;Greed surprises me less in men than it does in crocodiles&lt;/strong&gt;. 

The way I look at it, plutocracy is a social phenomenon attached to civilization. It&#039;s not a basic instinct, like fascism is. Plutocracy itself is the product of three factors: a) animal instincts of the most basic types (hunger, will to power, territoriality) + b) capital, the fruit of civilization + c) the exponential function. I am not saying that&#039;s a big time tragedy, anymore than the fact by car can go from zero to 60 in 4 seconds is a big time tragedy. I am not Proudhon. It just say that it&#039;s a danger, with an exponential character, and which bends minds, both of individuals and civilizations.
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Nathan I tool so long to reply I was lost in the maya of an essay reaching new heights of logical twistiness&#8230; Lost in <em>ma-ya</em>? Lost in <em>Not-That</em>? Vielleicht, vee Haf Hat ein Mizunterztandink. <strong>Greed surprises me less in men than it does in crocodiles</strong>. </p>
<p>The way I look at it, plutocracy is a social phenomenon attached to civilization. It&#8217;s not a basic instinct, like fascism is. Plutocracy itself is the product of three factors: a) animal instincts of the most basic types (hunger, will to power, territoriality) + b) capital, the fruit of civilization + c) the exponential function. I am not saying that&#8217;s a big time tragedy, anymore than the fact by car can go from zero to 60 in 4 seconds is a big time tragedy. I am not Proudhon. It just say that it&#8217;s a danger, with an exponential character, and which bends minds, both of individuals and civilizations.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Daniel Curry</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 04:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nathan Daniel Curry I definitely feel you are lost in Maya (and the consequences that are born of that in terms of consciousness)- to borrow the Indian phrase - but you have a great nuanced understanding of the world. The key difference between you and I is that I am not surprised by the story of greed in the world (what you call Plutocracy)....and I do not condemn it (I equally do not condone it). I just see clearly it is the story born of the blind leading the blind.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan Daniel Curry I definitely feel you are lost in Maya (and the consequences that are born of that in terms of consciousness)- to borrow the Indian phrase &#8211; but you have a great nuanced understanding of the world. The key difference between you and I is that I am not surprised by the story of greed in the world (what you call Plutocracy)&#8230;.and I do not condemn it (I equally do not condone it). I just see clearly it is the story born of the blind leading the blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cynics would point out that, according to the proverb, as the devil is within the details, my eye for the details makes me devil obsessed...And I can&#039;t deny. However, just after localizing food, localizing evil is the god that helped evolve the brain the most in the last 500 million years...
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cynics would point out that, according to the proverb, as the devil is within the details, my eye for the details makes me devil obsessed&#8230;And I can&#8217;t deny. However, just after localizing food, localizing evil is the god that helped evolve the brain the most in the last 500 million years&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Daniel Curry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love your eye for the details Patrice. You have a great gift.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your eye for the details Patrice. You have a great gift.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Eugen: You are entirely correct. Hitler succeeded to mostly annihilate European Jews, and certainly the culture has quasi disappeared at this point. However, one should not despair, and trying to reconstitute it is, in my opinion feasible; look at Israel and Hebrew: all reconstituted! So why not Yiddish? This being said, one should keep in mind the Jews contributed to their own grave, by not fighting against fascism early enough. 

Many Jewish organizations cooperated with Hitler, as Hannah Arendt pointed out strongly, and she was hated for that truth... To which I arrived to independently, along a different, deeper path.

An example is the Dreyfus affair in France; French Jews and their friends made a huge deal of it, accusing the state (on rather tenuous grounds) of &quot;&lt;em&gt;antisemitism&lt;/em&gt;&quot;. It forced France to extirpate *most* of dangerous &quot;antisemitism&quot;. Conclusion when the Nazis occupied France, they killed only 75,000, most of them non French, a small fraction of the total number of Jews in France.

By comparison about 120,000 Jews were assassinated in the Netherlands, i.e., most of the Jews there, and most of them Dutch.

Some Jews made a famous trial of god, from inside the extermination camp where they were caged. It&#039;s precisely too much trust in god that led Central European Jews to avoid confronting the authorities&#039; antijudaism. (As the Cynics insisted,) &lt;strong&gt;it is always wiser to be watchful of dogs howling from within men, than trust an imaginary god caring from above&lt;/strong&gt;. 
God was the central mistake of European Central European Jewry, and is because it was atheistic that Jewry survived so well in France... But French Jews never spoke Yiddish, and Judaism in Gallia/Francia was (nearly always) a more relax affair.
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eugen: You are entirely correct. Hitler succeeded to mostly annihilate European Jews, and certainly the culture has quasi disappeared at this point. However, one should not despair, and trying to reconstitute it is, in my opinion feasible; look at Israel and Hebrew: all reconstituted! So why not Yiddish? This being said, one should keep in mind the Jews contributed to their own grave, by not fighting against fascism early enough. </p>
<p>Many Jewish organizations cooperated with Hitler, as Hannah Arendt pointed out strongly, and she was hated for that truth&#8230; To which I arrived to independently, along a different, deeper path.</p>
<p>An example is the Dreyfus affair in France; French Jews and their friends made a huge deal of it, accusing the state (on rather tenuous grounds) of &#8220;<em>antisemitism</em>&#8220;. It forced France to extirpate *most* of dangerous &#8220;antisemitism&#8221;. Conclusion when the Nazis occupied France, they killed only 75,000, most of them non French, a small fraction of the total number of Jews in France.</p>
<p>By comparison about 120,000 Jews were assassinated in the Netherlands, i.e., most of the Jews there, and most of them Dutch.</p>
<p>Some Jews made a famous trial of god, from inside the extermination camp where they were caged. It&#8217;s precisely too much trust in god that led Central European Jews to avoid confronting the authorities&#8217; antijudaism. (As the Cynics insisted,) <strong>it is always wiser to be watchful of dogs howling from within men, than trust an imaginary god caring from above</strong>.<br />
God was the central mistake of European Central European Jewry, and is because it was atheistic that Jewry survived so well in France&#8230; But French Jews never spoke Yiddish, and Judaism in Gallia/Francia was (nearly always) a more relax affair.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: EugenR</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes EU is a great achievement to humanity, yet for me as decendent of European Jews it came few years too late. It is rather painful for me to see how the European Jewish existence and with it their culture was totally annihilated, and nothing can correct it. In Israel and in US you can find only a very poor and partial imitation of what this culture was all about. Just to mention out of this culture grew up, Einstein, Marx, Freud and you name the rest. Bless &quot;GOD&quot; their memory. Patrice, I hope you don&#039;t mind to mention God in your blog, after all even Einstein used him when he needed it for a good metaphor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes EU is a great achievement to humanity, yet for me as decendent of European Jews it came few years too late. It is rather painful for me to see how the European Jewish existence and with it their culture was totally annihilated, and nothing can correct it. In Israel and in US you can find only a very poor and partial imitation of what this culture was all about. Just to mention out of this culture grew up, Einstein, Marx, Freud and you name the rest. Bless &#8220;GOD&#8221; their memory. Patrice, I hope you don&#8217;t mind to mention God in your blog, after all even Einstein used him when he needed it for a good metaphor.</p>
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