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	<title>Comments on: Truth, Celebritism, Fusion Geoengineering 23/10/12</title>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 04:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear OGP: I was thinking the quotient of the might of nuclear process to chemicals, is that the strength of man relative to that of a bee... turning away from nuclear, for this civilization, would be as when Antiquity turned awa from steam... to embrace slavery...
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear OGP: I was thinking the quotient of the might of nuclear process to chemicals, is that the strength of man relative to that of a bee&#8230; turning away from nuclear, for this civilization, would be as when Antiquity turned awa from steam&#8230; to embrace slavery&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Old Geezer Pilot: using the Lagrange point to shade the light would necessitate giant amounts of energy to install massive industry on the moon, fabricate, lift, translate. That means so called &quot;nukes&quot;. Thermonuclear fusion is roughly three million times more energetic by mass than the most powerful chemical we have (highly compressed hydrogen). U235 fission, nearly a million times. The later could be used for indirect nuclear engines, accelerating, say, Xenon... 

Any scheme to shade the planet would go against solar energy on earth, so would be self defeating. I still pretend that freezing CO2 is the only reasonable alternative. &quot;Reason&quot; being a relative thing here. Carbon Capture &amp; Storage makes no energetic sense (supposing it&#039;s at all possible... in more than a few very special places!... as it already is, in this half dozen places, each a different thing, only one of them, in France a deliberate thermo-generation, plus burial 4,500 meters down in an old gaz field)

&lt;strong&gt;From the thermodynamical balance point of view, my point is that geoengineering will require giant amounts of energy&lt;/strong&gt; (that&#039;s why I brandish Martian geoengineering, a much easier thing...but still very hard...). So nuclear. BTW, CERN, which makes anti-matter, does, thanks to U235 in the six dozen nuclear plants in the area. When electricity gets expensive, in winter, the LHC closes down... Antimatter has the highest energy density, about 150 million the most energetic chemicals...
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Old Geezer Pilot: using the Lagrange point to shade the light would necessitate giant amounts of energy to install massive industry on the moon, fabricate, lift, translate. That means so called &#8220;nukes&#8221;. Thermonuclear fusion is roughly three million times more energetic by mass than the most powerful chemical we have (highly compressed hydrogen). U235 fission, nearly a million times. The later could be used for indirect nuclear engines, accelerating, say, Xenon&#8230; </p>
<p>Any scheme to shade the planet would go against solar energy on earth, so would be self defeating. I still pretend that freezing CO2 is the only reasonable alternative. &#8220;Reason&#8221; being a relative thing here. Carbon Capture &amp; Storage makes no energetic sense (supposing it&#8217;s at all possible&#8230; in more than a few very special places!&#8230; as it already is, in this half dozen places, each a different thing, only one of them, in France a deliberate thermo-generation, plus burial 4,500 meters down in an old gaz field)</p>
<p><strong>From the thermodynamical balance point of view, my point is that geoengineering will require giant amounts of energy</strong> (that&#8217;s why I brandish Martian geoengineering, a much easier thing&#8230;but still very hard&#8230;). So nuclear. BTW, CERN, which makes anti-matter, does, thanks to U235 in the six dozen nuclear plants in the area. When electricity gets expensive, in winter, the LHC closes down&#8230; Antimatter has the highest energy density, about 150 million the most energetic chemicals&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer Pilot</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Geezer Pilot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoengineering is a concept whose time may have come. And without nukes.

There is a point in space, between the sun and earth, called the LaGrange point, at which an object will have zero acceleration either way. And, since it is far away from the earth, a reasonable sized metalized foil disc could throw a mighty shadow upon us, causing a mild decrease in the solar insolation.

Just one of many tricks science has up its sleeve.

The planet is warming. No one can stop it, even if we were to cease all burning of fossil fuels today. The die is cast. We must use our brains to keep this fragile planet liveable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoengineering is a concept whose time may have come. And without nukes.</p>
<p>There is a point in space, between the sun and earth, called the LaGrange point, at which an object will have zero acceleration either way. And, since it is far away from the earth, a reasonable sized metalized foil disc could throw a mighty shadow upon us, causing a mild decrease in the solar insolation.</p>
<p>Just one of many tricks science has up its sleeve.</p>
<p>The planet is warming. No one can stop it, even if we were to cease all burning of fossil fuels today. The die is cast. We must use our brains to keep this fragile planet liveable.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 05:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Judge Learned Hand was smart! Yes many discourses can be used to describe the truth. The problem then is that not one logos does it. &lt;strong&gt;Many truths have got to die, so that a better truth may be born... &lt;/strong&gt;
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judge Learned Hand was smart! Yes many discourses can be used to describe the truth. The problem then is that not one logos does it. <strong>Many truths have got to die, so that a better truth may be born&#8230; </strong><br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: Old Geezer</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Geezer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 05:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;From a multitude of tongues come the truth&quot; - Judge Learned Hand.

You have to find the truth for yourself, by yourself.

No one is going to tell it to you.

Not even Walter Cronkite.

&quot;And that&#039;s the way it is.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From a multitude of tongues come the truth&#8221; &#8211; Judge Learned Hand.</p>
<p>You have to find the truth for yourself, by yourself.</p>
<p>No one is going to tell it to you.</p>
<p>Not even Walter Cronkite.</p>
<p>&#8220;And that&#8217;s the way it is.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12314</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 01:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Eugen: &quot;&lt;em&gt;We hold these truths to be self evident.&lt;/em&gt;..&quot; as the USA Constitution has it... Evident, ex-videre, what comes out from seeing it.Truth one cannot see...I don&#039;t know what that is.
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eugen: &#8220;<em>We hold these truths to be self evident.</em>..&#8221; as the USA Constitution has it&#8230; Evident, ex-videre, what comes out from seeing it.Truth one cannot see&#8230;I don&#8217;t know what that is.<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: EugenR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EugenR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to differentiate between evidence and truth. When you are speaking about science, it is about evidence. On the other hand belief in any dogma, be it social theory or religion, is all about truth.

Then you have intentional lies, these are the celebrities, with their P.R. and Marketing experts, you rightly put them to this category.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to differentiate between evidence and truth. When you are speaking about science, it is about evidence. On the other hand belief in any dogma, be it social theory or religion, is all about truth.</p>
<p>Then you have intentional lies, these are the celebrities, with their P.R. and Marketing experts, you rightly put them to this category.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Eugen: I do not understand what you want to say. Personally I am saying a number of things, among which:
1) Truth depends upon the medium (no pun intended) used to express it. Whenever a discourse is used, any discourse and its context cannot pin down, in general, a precise outcome. The fundamental reason is the contrast between the classical picture in physics, and the quantum picture.

2) Truth can also be conveyed by, say, a picture. Or, more precisely, a lab set-up, as in the experience in Quantum Physics.

You seem to say that societal consequences ought to be used to determine truth (no doubt useful). That would pertain just to proposed social truths (as when Hitler claimed his proposed truths would help the Germans; a rough analysis would have shown that the consequence of such suggested &quot;truths&quot; would have entailled a world war, and that this would have cost millions of German dead... So Hitler&#039;s &quot;truths&quot; could not be true...). Is it what you are thinking of?
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eugen: I do not understand what you want to say. Personally I am saying a number of things, among which:<br />
1) Truth depends upon the medium (no pun intended) used to express it. Whenever a discourse is used, any discourse and its context cannot pin down, in general, a precise outcome. The fundamental reason is the contrast between the classical picture in physics, and the quantum picture.</p>
<p>2) Truth can also be conveyed by, say, a picture. Or, more precisely, a lab set-up, as in the experience in Quantum Physics.</p>
<p>You seem to say that societal consequences ought to be used to determine truth (no doubt useful). That would pertain just to proposed social truths (as when Hitler claimed his proposed truths would help the Germans; a rough analysis would have shown that the consequence of such suggested &#8220;truths&#8221; would have entailled a world war, and that this would have cost millions of German dead&#8230; So Hitler&#8217;s &#8220;truths&#8221; could not be true&#8230;). Is it what you are thinking of?<br />
PA</p>
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		<title>By: EugenR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EugenR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To speak about truth, without to take in account the consequences of believing in THEE TRUTH, the only and sole truth, this is what bothers me most.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To speak about truth, without to take in account the consequences of believing in THEE TRUTH, the only and sole truth, this is what bothers me most.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Ayme</title>
		<link>http://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/10/23/truth-celebritism-fusion-geoengineering-231012/#comment-12298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrice Ayme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Eugen: I was initially thinking about theories of truth as found in logic, mathematical logic, or among philosophers who study societal or so called &quot;criterial&quot; truth. people such as Quines, Foucault, countless mathematical philosophers, etc. Curiously nobody is focused on the practicality that all and any discourse is finite.I used related arguments to say there was a largest number (a grave and impudent violation of 25 centuries of Very Serious mathematics in general, and Euclid, in particular).
It&#039;s related to the deepest fact about the Quantum, namely that it fills up space instantaneously, an apparently infinite task, but then it coalesces finitely (as total available energy is finite)... This is as deep as it gets...

What you seem to be saying is that some are happy to be followers, because they like to hurt less. I agree that&#039;s a problem with many currents of philosophy and religion. After all, Nietzsche (correctly) called Christianism a slave religion....But it made most people happy...
PA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eugen: I was initially thinking about theories of truth as found in logic, mathematical logic, or among philosophers who study societal or so called &#8220;criterial&#8221; truth. people such as Quines, Foucault, countless mathematical philosophers, etc. Curiously nobody is focused on the practicality that all and any discourse is finite.I used related arguments to say there was a largest number (a grave and impudent violation of 25 centuries of Very Serious mathematics in general, and Euclid, in particular).<br />
It&#8217;s related to the deepest fact about the Quantum, namely that it fills up space instantaneously, an apparently infinite task, but then it coalesces finitely (as total available energy is finite)&#8230; This is as deep as it gets&#8230;</p>
<p>What you seem to be saying is that some are happy to be followers, because they like to hurt less. I agree that&#8217;s a problem with many currents of philosophy and religion. After all, Nietzsche (correctly) called Christianism a slave religion&#8230;.But it made most people happy&#8230;<br />
PA</p>
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