Comments for Some of Patrice Ayme's Thoughts

Comment on FINAL PROOF OF INCOMPLETENESS. by Patrice Ayme

Patrice Ayme — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:54:07 +0000

Countability is about the capability of making a 1 to 1 and onto map between a set and the set of integers (1, 2, 3, 4, …). So a set is countable if and only if each element of this set can be assigned a number.

Comment on FINAL PROOF OF INCOMPLETENESS. by Merrill

Merrill — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:49:01 +0000

Patrice,

Now you have the doctor’s interest. This stuff is fascinating to me and has had my attention for over 10 years. It’s the kind of problem that has far reaching implications beyond math. The search for truth with the “Queen of sciences” has been a dramatic story, a bit of a secret that most people never explore. Fortunately, you don’t need to be intrinsically talented in math to appreciate the drama.

The liars paradox and the parallel postulate problem crops up so regularly that it’s really a little eery. The search for axioms and truth are irresistible to some. In some hands axiomatic systems are built to mascurade as truth. You might be interested in two “books’ that focus on the human drama of the search for truth in logic and math. I bought them for myself as a get well present. They are for “popular” consumption, but show that the topics are really great dramas on the stage of ideas. Math and logic seem to be more popular, perhaps because of their relationship to computing?

I think these topics deserve a lot more exposure to the general public, I’m glad that some mathematicians, like yourself still play with the ideas, they are important.

LOGICOMIX by Papdimitriou and others is a ‘graphic novel” fictional account with the central character Bertrand Russell and his buddies. The author is at UC Berekeley professor of Computer Science.

TURING Same author is really more of a novel, but addresses a lot of these issues in service of the dramatic plot.

At my mathematical level, I sense the reasoning that you are following, but sometimes have trouble linking the ideas….e.g. the importance of countability. You can’t assume that most people understand the implications of that term (countability). It seems central to your thesis, but I had some trouble working with it. Perhaps give it some of the same treatment that you gave to irrational numbers and the lay person might be able to connect the dots. I’m not sure what to do with the neurologic hypotheses, but I enjoy the wrestling match you are having with truth, math and the mind.

Best,

Merrill

Comment on SUN COOLING, ICE MELTING… by Patrice Ayme

Patrice Ayme — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:53:15 +0000

Barry: Gee, I am just warming up about the subject… True truly giant volcanoes can make giant production of CO2, and then cause an ice age by reabsorbing it quick… Anyway I have a long essay on the subject, incoming. So far, though the CO2 equivalent going up 60% above the long term (15 million years!) average MAXIMUM is purely anthropogenic. Anyway, thanks for the enthusiasm, and some facts I did not know.

Comment on SUN COOLING, ICE MELTING… by Patrice Ayme

Patrice Ayme — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:48:40 +0000

Barry: Thanks for the links/references. And stay tuned, I have a big one coming about volcanoes, that will answer some of your questions…

Comment on SUN COOLING, ICE MELTING… by Barry Day

Barry Day — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:20:46 +0000

We’ve forgotten that this isn’t the first time our seas have warmed. Sea temperatures also shot upward 10º to 18ºF just prior to the last ice age.

As the oceans warmed, evaporation increased. The excess moisture then fell to the ground as giant blizzards, giant storms and floods (Noah’s Deluge type floods), and a new ice age began.

The same thing is happening today.

It’s not global warming, it’s ocean warming, and humans have nothing to do with it. Our seas are being heated, I believe, by underwater volcanism. Here’s why:

We are living in a period of vastly increased volcanism, said Dixy Lee Ray in her 1993 book Environmental Overkill, the greatest in 500 years.
Eighty percent of all volcanism (say experts at NOAA) occurs underwater.
Therefore, underwater volcanism should also be the greatest in 500 years.
Our seas, heated by underwater volcanism, are leading us directly into the next ice age . . . and we don’t even know it.
That’s what El Niño is all about. Warmer seas send excess moisture into the sky, leading to increased precipitation.
Worldwide flood activity is the worst since before Christopher Columbus. In Poland, it’s the worst in several thousand years. In the U.S., precipitation has increased 20 percent just since 1970. This is no coincidence.
When that precipitation begins falling in the winter, you have the makings of an ice age.
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See “Global climate: no change” in the July 12 issued of Nature.
Global climate 50,000 years ago was rather like that of today, the article says.
Studies of fossilized trees in southern Chile reveal that the climate between the
last two ice ages varied much as it does now. “Climate fluctuations closely
resemble those we are experiencing now, including the 2–5–year spell of
El Niño oscillations.”
http://www.nature.com/nsu/010329/010329-13.html
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“Fiery birth of a new Pacific island!”
Lava and ash blasted through the surface of the Pacific Ocean and
plumes of steam and smoke rose thousands of feet above the ocean’s surface.
See Kavachi Island
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Carbon dioxide
If today’s rising carbon dioxide are caused by humans, what
caused the dramatic rise in CO2 levels at the dinosaur extinction?
See Carbon Dioxide
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No Global Warming
“Even with needed corrections, data still don’t show the expected signature of global warming,”
says Dr. Roy Spencer, Senior Scientist for Climate Studies NASA/Marshall Space Flight Center.
See http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/notebook/essd13aug98_1.htm

Comment on SUN COOLING, ICE MELTING… by Barry Day

Barry Day — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:08:09 +0000

WHAT????? Mount St. Helens melted the glaciers, but Arctic volcanoes don’t?
3 Jul 08 – When Mount St. Helens erupted in 1980, it melted so much
ice that a giant flood swept a slurry of water, sediment and trees, along
with logging trucks, bridges and household debris down the Toutle River
at speeds of up to 50 mph.
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Mysterious “Swarm” of Quakes Strikes Oregon Water
(And we wonder why the oceans are warming)
16 Apr 08 – About 600 earthquakes have been recorded about 190 miles offshore
from Yachats. Earthquake swarms normally indicate volcanic activity. Scientists say
they may find lava oozing out onto the seafloor or hot water percolating up from
magma-heated undersea hot springs.
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Unrecognized Underwater Volcanic Activity
13 Jul 07 – Transform faults are not developing or behaving as
theories of plate tectonics say they should. The faults are often
segmented and show signs of >>recent or ongoing<< volcanism.
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Scientists stumble across huge underwater mountain
29 May 09 – Marine scientists have discovered a massive
underwater volcano off Indonesia’s western coast. The 4,600m
(15,000ft) mountain spans 30 miles at its base, with its summit
some 1,300 meters below the surface. Its discovery was
"completely unexpected."
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Galapagos volcano erupts –
lava flowing into the ocean
12 Apr 09 – Again, we have 2,150-
degree lava pouring into the ocean –
ten times the boiling point – and we
keep blaming humans for heating the
seas.
Galapagos volcano erupts, lava
flowing into the ocean e
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Underwater volcano building new mountain
7 May 09 – “An active underwater volcano near the island
of Guam erupts so frequently that it has built a new cone 131ft
high (13 stories) and 984ft wide in just three years.
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Undersea volcanic eruption in Tonga heating the water?
19 Mar 09 – Sea Surface Temperature (SST) maps show a warm anomaly in the Tonga that extends off to the east. Is that a result of the underwater volcano, or just a coincidence?
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Underwater volcano erupts off Tonga
19 Mar 09 – Spectacular columns of steam and smoke spewed
out of the seaabout 6 miles (10 km) from the main island of Tongatapu
- an area where up to36 undersea volcanoes are clustered. Large
amounts of pumice from the volcanowill likely clog beaches on the
southern coast of nearby Fiji islands shortly.
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Global warming may be caused by underwater volcanoes
(Which I've been saying for years)
8 Dec 08 – A new study shows that the rise in land temperatures can
be tied directly to increased heat and humidity coming from warmer
oceans, which in turn may be caused solely by natural forces, including
underwater volcanoes.
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Ocean Floor Geysers Warming The Seas
(And we wonder why the oceans are warming)
22 Sep 08 – "It's like finding Old Faithful in Illinois. When we went out to
try to get a feel for how much heat was coming from the ocean floor and
how much sea water might be moving through it, we found that there was
much more heat than we expected at the outcrops."
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Geothermal heat may be melting the Greenland glaciers
Nov 2007 – “Hansen's model is wrong! In reality, the Greenland and
Antarctic ice sheets occupy deep basins, and cannot slide down a plane.
Furthermore glacial flow depends on stress as well as temperature, and
much of the ice sheets are well below melting point.
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World's deepest chain of undersea volcanoes to be explored
1 Sep 08 — Scientists at the National Oceanography Centre are set to
explore the world's deepest undersea volcanoes five kilometers beneath
the Caribbean.
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'Black smokers' found in Arctic Ocean
4 Aug 08 – Jets of searingly hot water spewing up from the sea floor
have been discovered in a far-northern zone of the Arctic Ocean,
Swiss-based scientists announced Monday.
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Boiling Hot Water Found in Frigid Arctic Sea
24 Jul 08 – “Many miles inside the Arctic Circle, scientists have found
vents of scalding liquid rising out of the seafloor at temperatures that are
more than twice the boiling point of water.
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Undersea volcanic activity blamed for mass extinction 93 million years ago
16 Jul 08 – Researchers from the University of Alberta, Canada, find evidence of
underwater volcanism in rocks dating to a mass extinction 93 million years ago.
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Huge Underwater Volcanoes in the Arctic Ocean,
but scientists see no significant connection to melting ice?
27 Jun 08 – The eruptions discharge large amounts of carbon dioxide,
helium, trace metals and heat into the water over long distances, but
scientists see no significant connection to melting ice.
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Giant Undersea Volcano Found Off Iceland
(And we wonder why the oceans are warming)
22 Apr 08 – It's an active volcano that rises about 3,300 feet (1,000 meters)
above the surrounding sections, coming within 1,300 feet (400 meters) of the surface.
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Hawaiian volcano pumping more lava than usual into the ocean
5 Jul 08 – The Hawaiian Volcano Observatory said Saturday that
Hawaii's Kilauea volcano is pumping more lava than usual into the ocean.
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Magma May Be Melting Greenland Ice
18 Dec 07 – I added another article to this posting
13 Dec 07 – Scientists have found at least one natural-magma hotspot under
the Greenland Ice Sheet where heat from Earth’s insides could seep through,
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Arctic seabed afire with lava-spewing volcanoes
25 Jun 08 – Red-hot magma has been rising from deep inside the earth
and blown the tops off dozens of submarine volcanoes, four kilometers
below the ice. And we wonder what is melting the ice.
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Underwater Volcanic Eruptions, Not Meteor,
May Have Killed Dinosaurs
New discovery validates theories in Not by Fire but by Ice
30 Oct 07 – "A series of monumental volcanic eruptions in India
may have killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, not a meteor
impact in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Several Huge Active Submarine Volcanoes Found Near Fiji
20 Jun 08 – “We know more about the surface of Mars than we
know about the ocean seafloor.”
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Antarctic glaciers surge due to volcanic activity?
24 Feb 08 – Much higher up the glacier there is evidence of a volcano that erupted
through the ice about 2,000 years ago. "The whole region could be volcanically active,
releasing geothermal heat to melt the base of the ice and help its slide towards the sea."
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The Sounds of Climate Change
Underwater volcanoes heating the seas?
8 Jan 08 – "Earthquakes and magma spewing on the seafloor
go hand in hand … there are new heat sources right off the coast
of Deception Island that no one was aware of before.

Comment on Black Hole Minds: A Threat. by Patrice Ayme

Patrice Ayme — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:20:41 +0000

“PRESSING”? Ah, the press… It used to be a form of execution in the British Isles: one would put the condemned below heavy weights, and add ever more of them, until life would be crushed. I will not make any quip about the “HURRY” of the CERN supercollider, which is the slowest thing ever this side of the 787 “Dreamliner”… At least a few particles are going around, I hear, soon… The fright caused by the energies reached at CERN can be put to rest (it’s orders of magnitude below cosmic rays, and just a few times higher than the accelerator in Chicago).

As I said, it’s pushing superconductivity in a technological realm never reached before. If that is mastered, it puts massive industrial applications that much closer.

Human beings are not such that they can do just one thing: they are not ants. We need to do many things, so we can be free, and thoughtful. To oppose CERN and feeding Africa, as some have done, is naive. The best way to feed Africa is to reintroduce adult control. The next best way is to smash the subsidies to American and European agriculture, freeing that much more money for CERN, ITER, ESO, ESA, and European and American science in general… These solutions are not politically correct. What is politically correct is to engage in feel good, ineffectual policies of charities on the cheap, and the side…

By the way, the price of the entire CERN supercollider is tiny; just a fraction of what Goldman Sachs steals from American society, through American taxpayers, in 6 months…

If I dare put it in an insufferable way: do not ask how bad the problem is, ask where the problem is.

PA.

Comment on Black Hole Minds: A Threat. by Chris SNUGGS

Chris SNUGGS — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:39:21 +0000

Knowledge is good, more knowledge is better.

But not at ANY price … and we don’t have to be in SUCH A HURRY …. there are more PRESSING problems.

Comment on MEDICARE FOR MORE. by Asurance

Asurance — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:45:25 +0000

Obviously a tender subject but a good view nonetheless.

Comment on FINANCIAL PIRATES AHOY! by euandus

euandus — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:48:13 +0000

How about relying not only on regulations, but also considering Paul Volcker’s advice from experience: being too big is itself a problem that can and should be remedied? I’ve just posted on it at http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/bigger-banks-too-big-to-fail/