“The ceasefire between Israel and Hamas could yet be an unlikely foundation for peace” (pontificates idiotically The Economist’s “Old battles, new Middle East“). More prosaically, anti-missile systems were tested. Iron Dome intercepted 425+ Gaza missiles.
There cannot be peace in the Middle East, as long as Islam is the dominant system of mood. Islam started as an anti-Jewish machine: Muhammad turned against his hosts, who had inspired him, and massacred an entire tribe in mostly Jewish Yathrib (thereafter to be called Medina, the second most sacred city in Islam).
Faithfully following Roman and Roman Catholic genocidal fascism, Islam put its foot on Jerusalem’s bloodied face, insulting it as the third most sacred city in Islam:
Dome Of The Rock Mosque Squats Obnoxiously On Jewish Temple Mont
In 1217 CE, Spanish Rabbi Judah al-Harizi found the sight of the Muslim fortifications on the Jewish Temple Mount profoundly disturbing. “What torment to see our holy courts converted into an alien temple!”
Jerusalem had been the capital of various Jewish states for about 2,000 years. 2,000 years prior to the invention of Islam.
Islam has no less than two mosques on top of the most sacred place of Judaism. Those mosques were built (late 8th C), 13 (yes, thirteen) centuries after the destruction of the first Jewish temple by the Babylonians. It’s worse than rising mosques on top of a razed Notre Dame, while calling Paris the fourth most sacred city in Islam.
Muhammad is supposed to have taken flight from there, the Jewish Temple mount, in an apparent imitation of the thoroughly undocumented Christ (many turkeys fly from the same spot). The vampire gorged on blood takes flight from the neck of its victim.
Islam was also an anti-Western war machine, and, as long as it functions as a dominant mode of thinking of Middle Earth, and the West has not been defeated, there will be war. We have plenty of (sacred) statements in the Hadith about attacking the West deliberately. Bukhari is the second most authoritative source in Islam after the Qur’an:
“He heard the Prophet saying, ‘Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition.’ The Prophet then said, ‘The first army amongst my followers who will invade Caesar’s City will be forgiven their sins.'” [Bukhari:V4B52N175]
So much for Islam being a religion of peace. Muslims sieged Constantinople three times: 674-678 CE, 717-718 CE, and 1453 CE.
On August 28, 846 CE an Arab army invaded Rome by surprise, and took over the Vatican. Yes, the Muslims succeeded where Hannibal had failed. One never talks about it, prefering to call attention to Hannibal and the Crusades, always (an obvious bias in context building!). This attack on Rome was no joke: the Frankish army holding north-west Rome and the Vatican was killed to the last man. The Muslims in and around Rome were repelled after hard fighting over several months, by Frankish relief armies.
Arab invasions rolled over Europe for 1,000 years, coming not far from Paris more than once, sieging Vienna, twice, occupying Saint Tropez, much of Provence, Switzerland, Greece, much of Italy, for decades, sometimes centuries… Exerting their obnoxious oppression all along (non Muslims were strongly discriminated against, in many ways, and had to submit, lest they would be summarily executed; marks on clothing akin to the Nazis’ yellow star had to be worn by the non Muslims; Muslim warriors could grab maidens and decide that was a “battlefield marriage” [institutionalized rape] but non Muslims men could not marry a Muslim, something true to this day, etc.).
“The Prophet said, ‘Khosrau will be ruined. There won’t be a Persian King after him. Caesar will be ruined. There will be no Caesar after him. You will spend their treasures in Allah’s Cause.’ He proclaimed, ‘War is deceit.’“ [Bukhari:V4B52N267]
“Umar [the Second Caliph] sent Muslims to great countries to fight pagans. He said, ‘I intend to invade Persia and Rome.’ So, he ordered us to go to [the Persian King] Khosrau. When we reached the enemy, Khosrau’s representative came out with 40,000 warriors, saying, ‘Talk to me! Who are you?’ Mughira replied, ‘We are Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life. We used to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'” [Bukhari:V4B53N386]
It’s all about the luxurious life: be a martyr, and luxury is yours, you greedy murderous ones! It’s not me parodying Islam saying this. It’s the most sacred texts of Islam defining Islam thus. Notice the quotes are long, their contexts clear. But we have to be careful: nowadays, just describing the Prophet, as he is described in the Qur’an and the Hadith, is viewed as a grave insult against the prophet, even if all and any Muslim scholars know these very things are the basics of the Islamist faith. In other words, Islamist “scholars” view Islam as an insult against islam, as long as it is described by non Muslims.
For all the pillow talk about peace in the Middle East, Islam is the pachyderm from hell breathing over the bed in the room above the whispering lovers. The Middle East has not yet been separated from its local, plutocratic friendly, superstition, Islam. Islam, as it is, truly, not as it is hoped to be by pseudo-progressives who have made a business model from mouthing wishful thinking, as a form of soft intellectual fascism.
Let’s all read the Qur’an, line by line. It’s only 80,000 words, everybody, even pseudo-progressives, with their tiny brains, could do it. Maybe too busy self caressing pseudo-progressives are?
What do we see in the Qur’an? A repetitive litany of lethal or abusive orders (from God, no less!) many victimizing people who are accused of misinterpreting God, such as the Jews, Christians, ill defined “unbelievers”, etc.
Apparently unsatisfied with murderously intolerant fanaticism, the Qur’an is clearly not friendly to democracy. Allah wants the faithful to obey whoever detains power: “O Ye Who Believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and OBEY THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN POWER.” (Sura 4; verse 59).”
Thus the Qur’an makes fascism part of worship. No wonder all leaders in Islamist countries become dictators (even Erdogan in Turkey is trying his best).
Thus Islam or democracy and peace? That is the question in the Middle East, still stuck in theocracy, 13 centuries and going strong.
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WHEN EUROPE WAS UNDER THE SPELL OF WOULD BE CHILD ASSASSIN ABRAHAM, IT WAS NOT PRETTY EITHER:
Superstition going crazy is not confined to the Middle East. Europe has know two phases of murderous insane superstitionism. The first religious madness put an end to Romanitas, an ill fated, all too restrictive society that could survive only by ever augmenting its fascism, while fragmenting into mini tyrannies from local plutocrats.
Diseased Romanitas was replaced by the more advanced Frankish philosophy which included in the power structure of society Jews, Pagans, women, all sorts of Germans, Romans, and even the ex-slaves.
The ugly oppression of the Abrahamic religion went into an eclipse that lasted six centuries. (Nothing symbolized it better than the nationalization of the church by Charles Martel around 730 CE!)
However, the Crusades allowed Abraham to rise its ugly snout again. The cult of a child molester does the plutocratic mood wonders. One Crusade, in France, killed one million. One million French. Or more. For five or six centuries plutocrats, hiding behind Abraham’s throat cutting ways, were at each others’ throats.
The Europe was torn by terrible religious wars over a century centered on 1600 CE. France had no less than eight religious wars at the end of the 16th Century.
Some of these wars caused the death of more than 30% of the population. Before weapons of mass destruction. Finally central governments won the struggle, and took over, re-birthing (re-naissance) the Roman style command and control.
The religious murderous madness was stopped when religion got defanged, and rigorously separated from the state, while the Republic became the ruling religion. Not yet the case in the Middle East… Except for Israel (paradoxically).
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CLASH OF A SUPERSTITION WITH CIVILIZATION:
Make no mistake: between Israel and the Arabs, at this point, it is still a religious war. No peace is possible as long as temple based terrorism lurks above.
The Economist, in an orgasm of naivety, urges Obama to do something about Israel and Palestine. But what to do against superstition and fanaticism? It’s a philosopher’s task. The best one can expect from Obama is Machiavellism. And we are getting some.
Obama is right to not squander his time splitting superstitious hair in a finer way than the fanatical participants already do. Obama got involved, sure. Obama very wisely decided that the USA would finance most of the Iron Dome (in exchange for a technology transfer!). It was wise. Iron Dome, and the coming David Sling will do more to calm down fascism, than soothing words of debasing appeasement.
Once democracy, the people, rules, there will be peace. But the people has existed for a million years, and the Republic is its basic religion, its basic atavism. No objective observer can say it is compatible with burning people for all the litany of reasons found in the Qur’an.
Seven centuries ago, in Egypt, interpreting the Qur’an literally was punished with imprisonment. Time to reboot that, if peace is really what one is after.
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QUR’AN BAD, BIBLE WORSE: SO?
The Economist published my comment above. The anonymous L6QjhvJGVk in reply to Tyranosopher Nov 23rd, came up with a number of interesting quotes of the Bible. Said he: “Although I am not religious (as an agnostic), the Koran is very mild compared to the Bible.”
Right, L6QjhvJGVk, but the Bible does not have more than a billion fanatical followers, today. Literal Bible reading is mostly a problem confined to places in Russia, the USA and Israel. One can spit all day long on the Bible, and burn it with gusto. All that will happen is that one will not be taken seriously. But in Muslim lands, it’s quite the opposite, one is taken all too seriously. Doing symbolic violence to the Qur’an hate book may get you executed. Once somebody was condemned to death, in a Muslim country, for having said something unbecoming about Jesus (!), a prophet of Islam.
Even in countries such as France, supposedly philosophically enlightened, there is a dangerous confusion between criticizing a religion, and racial hatred (are the somewhat Christianophobic, such as me, hating the Christian race?). This legal confusion has had very practical, very disastrous consequences. It enabled the growth of Muslim Fundamentalism of the lethal type, because criticizing the Qur’an, arguably a hate book if there ever has been one, has been equated to racism. Thus Quranic violence was made into something sacred.
It is a bit of a paradox that it is honorable to kill bin Laden, but not to trash his ideas! In contrast, I believe that the best way to kill inferior ideas is with superior ideas.
L6QjhvJGVk Bible and Jewish quotes are reproduced in the comments (however, within them L6QjhvJGVk exhibits plain anti-Judaism, Nazi style, as he evokes a word Hitler used, “genetic” in derogatory relation to the Jews, showing an emotional anti-Jew slant).
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Left and Right. in reply to L6QjhvJGVk Nov 23rd, 09:23 observed:
“There is no comparison [between following the Bible and being submitted to the Qur’an]. The Bible is advisory and there are no penalties to deny or question it. Islam requires a total belief in the whole of the Koran as directly written by Allah. To question it or to deny it is apostasy the penalty for which is death. This can tend to remove the chance to discuss things rationally. The poor performance, educationally, socially and economically of Muslims is, I believe hindered by the absolving of personal responsibility with the need to suffix every statement with Inshallah, if God wills it, in my experience he seldom does. My Muslin dentist tells me the world in 6000 years old, as stated in the Koran – well this could explain the dearth of Nobel Scientific awards to Muslims. Oh for the enlightenment!”
I agree 100% with Left and Right. Except that the Roman emperors, even before Theodosius, imposed Catholic terror (loosely based on the New Testament).
The reason for constant Muslim civil wars of the worst type is precisely that to question the other believer’s interpretation of the Qur’an or to deny it is apostasy, as far as the other believer is concerned, the penalty for which is death. Hence the total intolerance of Muslim: just draw a guy with a turban, call it Muhammad, see what happens. You may not have time to put it below foot. Thus the Dome of the Rock’s location is a well understood insult.
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Attendant Lord in reply to L6QjhvJGVk Nov 23rd:
“You overlook that the portions of these religious books that reflect values from another time are dead as a doornail in Judaism and in Israel, a modern state with modern values, and alive and well under Islamist states, whose leadership believes that it should all be kept alive, just as it was written.”
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Thank you L6QjhvJGVk, for rolling out barbarity from the Bible, there are never enough rivers of obnoxious data flowing to nourish the humanistic, progressive ocean!
The Abrahamic religion has to be crushed always. A state came up with the following law: “The safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God.” Those who disagree are to be sent to jail 12 months. That’s the law since before 2006, when the Supreme Court of that state refused to consider its constitutionality. So it is in Kentucky, USA.
If the Abrahamists, with their psycho god, are not crushed there, they will grow under the sign of the beast, and eat civilization up, as they did in the East. As when Bush brandished Qur’an and Bible to bring the true faith to Iraq (in his self described “crusade“).
Islamism is just a variant, an heresy of Judaism, somewhat desertified, somewhat Christianized, somewhat modernized. So if the Bible is really bad, it’s only natural that the Qur’an would be so too. Since the latter mostly apes the former.
(The holly Qur’an can be innovative, though: Apparently Muhammad conceived of stem cells, demonstrating how wise he was! Qur’an Surah 4, Verse 56: “Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses – We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment again. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.”)
As a self declared follower of the Abrahamic religion, the Prophet venerated the Bible, and his beef with the Jews was that they did not follow the Bible rigorously enough.
That the Bible was grotesquely dangerous, and immoral, interpreted literally has been known since the birth of Christianity.
Wrote Augustine: Title of Book III, Chapter 5 of his famous City of God”. “It Is A Wretched Slavery Which Takes The Figurative Expressions of Scripture in A Literal Sense.”
In spite of this, Augustine was the first theoretician of the dispersal of the Jews out of Israel, thus causing their departure, followed by their subsequent return…
Of course Augustine (around 400 CE) was following emperor Hadrian’s decrees against the Jews, like the dog follows his master. After the second Jewish revolt, in 132 CE, the Romans defeated the Jewish army in 135 CE.
Thereupon, Jerusalem, the capital of he Jews, was turned into a Greco-Roman city called Aelia Capitolina. A temple of Jupiter was built on top of the Jewish Temple, razed by the Romans.
Thus the idea of putting the enormous Dome of the Rock in place of the Temple is a Roman fascist idea that has become sacred to Muslims! In other words, of Rome, Muslims worship the worst. Another troubling fact, is that the Temple Mount is also considered to be Mount Zion. does that mean that, by worshipping the Dome of the Rock (roughly the oldest mosque), Muslims are Zionists? In some sense?
Emperor Hadrian forbid to the Jews to live in Jerusalem. Hadrian changed the country’s name from Judea to Syria Palestina. United Nations, version 135 CE.
However, these atrocious facts over which the otherwise much esteemed Hadrian presided, got to be known, and taken for what they were, in the fullness of time: genocide.
By 1948 CE, the United Nations, a sort of modernized Rome (before the Roman Republic became an outright imperium), decided to undo the horror visited by Hadrian, and more or less enforced ever since.
Actually the UN followed a Roman precedent. Emperor Julian, philosopher and critique of the monstrosity of the rule of Catholicism, had ordered the RECONSTRUCTION of the Jewish Temple in 360 CE (earthquakes, and Christian fanaticism, including the assassination of Julian, prevented the work to proceed!)
So here we are. In the last seven years, the Palestinians have fired nearly 7,000 rockets at Israel, killing 51 Israelis, and losing nearly 3,200 of their own. “Israel is gaining time… cutting the grass“, as Israelis put it. The time Israel did not have in 132-135 CE.
History never dies. Only armies do.
Why don’t Muslims eat pigs? The first order explanation, like for most things Muslim is that, so it was in the Bible, and Muslims follow the Bible, when in doubt. More sophisticated was Maimonides, the Jewish philosopher under the Caliphate, physician to Saladin in the Twelfth Century. He understood the dietary laws chiefly as keeping the body healthy. The meat of the forbidden animals, birds, and fish was indigestible, according to Maimonides. However this does not apply to pork, he observed. But pigs are more dirty than human latrines, so had to be avoided, he obviated.
A beauty of Islam is that it has no centralized authority as far as what it truly says. As the Qur’an is very small, it has been supplemented by all sorts of books and gossip, the Sunnah and Hadith being the most prominent. Muslims tend to kill each other, because they differ about the authors of Hadith who are viewed as reputable. Or by how seriously they take this and that gossip (= “reputable authority“, a frequently used notion in Islam scholarship).
On top of that, local traditions have their own little stories. Once I asked a knowledgeable woman in Africa, a Muslim religious authority, why Muslims did not eat pigs.
She told me a story I have never come across again. She told me that once Muhammad and his army, in a forest, got very thirsty. Then they saw a pig. They followed it until it reached water. Thereafter, a grateful Muhammad ordered his followers to give pigs a chance.
The surrealism of it all left me speechless. So some black Africans hold that Muslims follow the one who followed the pig? It’s unlikely that blindly following the One who followed the pig will give peace a chance, because he gave pigs a chance. The fascist instinct, that is, following The One, in this case a long dead analphabet raider, blindly, is exactly the opposite of peace, pigs or no pigs.
Yesterday’s god, like yesterday’s history, is senile, incoherent, repetitive, and dangerous. Time to break the cycle. Otherwise, there is an Iron Dome to show you.
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Patrice Ayme
Tags: Fanaticism, Gaza, Iron Dome, Islam, Israel
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November 25, 2012 at 8:14 am |
Patrice thanks. Again i have to prize you. Excellent article. You suggest to cope with Bin Laden and his followers on Philosophical terms. Yet i ask you, how you can philosophy with someone, who knows the whole and eternal truth? You can’t speak to these people about evidence, realities, fairness. About “And love your neighbor as yourself”.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(Jewish_Publication_Society_1917)/Leviticus#19:18
or if you prefer the Chinese version;
Zi gong (a disciple of Confucius) asked: “Is there any one word that could guide a person throughout life?”
The Master replied: “How about ‘shu’ [reciprocity]: never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself?”
–Confucius, Analects XV.24
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November 25, 2012 at 8:50 am |
Dear Patrice
If you check the ancient wisdom, you will find that all of them say the same, but to humans is easier to do otherwise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
Ancient Egypt
Middle Kingdom (c. 2040–1650 BCE): “Now this is the command: Do to the doer to cause that he do thus to you.”[18] An example from a Late Period (c. 664 BCE – 323 BCE) papyrus: “That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another.
Ancient Greece
“Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him.” – Pittacus[20] (c. 640–568 BCE)
“Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing.” – Thales[21] (c. 624 BC – c. 546 BC)
“What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either. ” – Sextus the Pythagorean.[22] The oldest extant reference to Sextus is by Origen in the third century of the common era.[23]
“Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others.” – Isocrates[24](436–338 BCE)
“What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others.” – Epictetus[25]
“It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing ‘neither to harm nor be harmed'[26]), and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life.” – Epicurus[27]
“…it has been shown that to injure anyone is never just anywhere.”
Ancient India
In Mahābhārata, the ancient epic of India,
Hence, (keeping these in mind), by self-control and by making dharma (right conduct) your main focus, treat others as you treat yourself.”
Bahá’í Faith
O SON OF MAN! Deny not My servant should he ask anything from thee, for his face is My face; be then abashed before Me.
—Bahá’u’lláh[34]
Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself.
—Bahá’u’lláh[35][36]
And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself.
—Bahá’u’lláh[37][38]
Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not.
—Bahá’u’lláh[39][40][41]
Beware lest ye harm any soul, or make any heart to sorrow; lest ye wound any man with your words, be he known to you or a stranger, be he friend or foe.
Buddhism
Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama, c. 563 – c. 483 B.C.)
Comparing oneself to others in such terms as “Just as I am so are they, just as they are so am I,” he should neither kill nor cause others to kill.
—Sutta Nipata 705
One who, while himself seeking happiness, oppresses with violence other beings who also desire happiness, will not attain happiness hereafter.
—Dhammapada 10. Violence
Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.
—Udanavarga 5:18
Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor cause another to kill.[43]
Christianity
“Do to no one what you yourself dislike.”
—Tobit 4:15
“Recognize that your neighbor feels as you do, and keep in mind your own dislikes.”
—Sirach 31:15
Luke 6:31
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
26What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you understand it?” 27He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your strength and with all your mind.’(Deuteronomy 6:5) And, ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’ ”
28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do that, and you will live.”
Galatians 5:14
14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
—Talmud, Shabbat 31a
Hillel, an elder contemporary of Jesus of Nazareth,
“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.”
Hinduism
One should never do that to another which one regards as injurious to one’s own self. This, in brief, is the rule of dharma. Other behavior is due to selfish desires.
—Brihaspati, Mahabharata (Anusasana Parva, Section CXIII, Verse 8)[49]
If the entire “Dharma” (spiritual and moral laws) can be said in a few words, then it is – that which is unfavorable to us, do not do that to others. (Padmapuraana, shrushti 19/357-358)
And finally the Islam;
and you should forgive And overlook: Do you not like God to forgive you? And Allah is The Merciful Forgiving.”
— Qur’an (Surah 24, “The Light,” v. 22)
“Woe to those… who, when they have to receive by measure from men, they demand exact full measure, but when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due”
— Qur’an (Surah 83, “The Dealers in Fraud,” vv. 1–4)
“…orphans and the needy, give them something and speak kindly to them. And those who are concerned about the welfare of their own children after their death, should have fear of God [Treat other people’s Orphans justly] and guide them properly.”
— Qur’an (Surah 4, “The Women,” vv. 8-9)
“O you who believe! Spend [benevolently] of the good things that you have earned… and do not even think of spending [in alms] worthless things that you yourselves would be reluctant to accept.”
— Qur’an (Surah 2, “The Calf,” v. 267)
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November 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
Dear Eugen: Thanks for the Confucius quote, and the general support and appreciation. Well the so called “Golden Rule”, reciprocity, does not work. The Christians tried it too in the West, and they were not the first. Reciprocity does not work, be it only because there are (plenty of) sado-masochist people. Actually sado-masochism is at the core of the human condition.
Sade more or less pointed that out, forcefully, not making too many friends, and Christianity, let alone Islam and the Bible, implicitly were founded on the notion, as everybody who is not operating with brain wide shut can observe. It is the core of the animal; suffering, and exacting the same.
My core principle is the essence of man: truth. Truth is a win-win, instead of being an hallucination, as reciprocity is. I don’t want to do reciprocity with the likes of Hitler and Ms. Goebbels, hallucinating sado-masochists hysterical and mountainously obsessed by insanities…
PA
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November 25, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
Eugen: Treating on philosophical terms means to show primitives their pseudo-truths are lies. It’s relatively easy to do. Why are Muslim Fundamentalists so keen to kill anybody that doubt their childish absurdities? Because they doubt them too, deep inside, and they are afraid that those inner doubts would come erupting to the surface of their own thoughts!
Not to say that Muslim Fundamentalists are wrong about everything. But realizing they are very wrong about religious pseudo-truths, would allow them to focus on problems that can be mitigated. In the case of Israel, that means realizing Israel could be turned around into an asset for peace and prosperity (Saudi Arabia already uses Israel for defense, secretly).
PA
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November 25, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
Beautifully said………..so keen to kill anybody that doubt their childish absurdities? Because they doubt them too, deep inside, and they are afraid that those inner doubts …….
But my answer to this is different than yours;
“There are two kinds of “TRUTH” in this world, one published in publication of communistic-fascistic or some other despotic ideology-belief, and the other one that hurts.”
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November 25, 2012 at 8:18 am |
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November 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
Thank you Patrice for the history lesson. Since you seem to have a lot of faith in the UN (a modernized Rome), then why not refer all pending disputes to the cardinals of the UN for a resolution??
All this talk of unilateral action (by any of the parties) sounds rather primitive??
With reference to the 3 Abrahamic religions, it is clear that God was not the author. Because if he was, he would not have sent prophets (in the same geographical area) with vastly different messages.
Also, if God does exist then he should have sent another prophet to clarify his objectives owing to the endless disputes that he has caused.
History never dies
– it only repeats itself. If the Zionists adopt the racist policies of Nazi Germany and the apartheid policies of South Africa, then the imperatives of history would ensure total failure. History never dies – countries disappear when they become too arrogant.
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November 25, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
A courageous post but futile. The end of Islam would also require the end of Christianity and Judaism. But these self-evidently fatal Abrahamic mindsets are so entangled in the minds of Westerners (and others) that it would require a tremendous force to disrupt the mental inertia they entail.
I believe that the Black Death which killed 30%, 50% to 80% of populations was necessary for the disruption of Medieval thinking. The triumph of death (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Triumph_of_Death) removed from the minds of many the belief in divine justice. Broadly, the plague was the great equalizer that to my thinking led to the birth of the Renaissance in Florence.
To end the deadly stalemate that rages among the Abrahamic religions today, a greater disruption than the Black Death would be needed. Clearly, the sciencism and humanism of the Renaissance is failing to untangle. What pressures would be brought to bear? I do not know. Perhaps, it will be catastrophic climate change? What ever it is, I do not think I want to be around to witness it.
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November 26, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
Dear Alexi: Funny that you only evoke “climate change” as the obvious catastrophe at hand. In your attention to not hurt anybody’s delicate disposition too much, you eschew the even more obvious cataclysm which offers itself ominously. N U K E S.
To end the stalemate, “a greater disruption than the Black Death would be needed”. Hmmm… What about a million suns, one hundred times over? Would that do it? Peoples of the Middle East have to realize that, if they keep on practicing the extermination mentality, as if it were a violin, they may get the death wish their dubious melody asks for. Annihilation through thermonuclear war. This is the worst possible case, but not the least plausible.
PA
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November 26, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
Dear Alexi: Another point about what you say. Judaism and Christianity are basically finished. Their God is dead, as Nietzsche proclaimed. Worldwide, there is clearly less than a million foaming-at-the-mouth Jews, and fanatical Christianism is actually (finally!) unlawful everywhere. Fanatical Judaism was eliminated, and definitively outlawed by ferocious Roman secular repression in 135 CE! I call, first, for the elimination of official Islamism. Alexander Aan in Indonesia, an Islamist state, was condemned by a court to two and a half years in jail, for writing on Facebook, “God does not exist”. Islamist states should be excluded from the World Intellectual Group. Why? Because they “WIGged out”. We can start by spiting them officially, and calling for their boycott.
PA
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November 25, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
Mankind knows with in ones self the truth. It’s justice, life on earth that draws human”s to religion. When one group wants to expand their land and they have might to do so nothing will stand in the way. At best the secondary group can learn the math and integrate its self. The problem with integration with Israel is it a national race / religion country . There is no solution.
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November 26, 2012 at 4:38 am |
Hello Johannah, and welcome to the comments on this site! (You are now authorized & will get published instantaneously next time!) You make a very important point, related to a number of issues. I could integrate the sorry point you mention as the number one item of an essay entitled:”What’s wrong with Israel”.
Israel has NO constitution (!!!), and part of the problem is that it is in contradiction with Human Rights. No less. The key there is the treatment of Israeli Arabs. Should they be mistreated seriously (they already are, more than a bit, especially regarding mixed marriages, I have encountered cases myself), Israel could see its support from Europe (esp. France, Israel’s main and primary support, since ever) and the USA vanish, an existential threat. So it’s unlikely Israel will be that stupid. It’s sort of forced to be intelligent enough to put limits, within itself, to the idea of the “Jewish state“.
what’s wrong with a “mostly Jewish state“? (Some have argued that is what France is, in the sense that most French have some sort of Jewish ancestry…)
By the way, Jewish fanaticism is is what caused the destruction of Israel in 132-135 CE. Hadrian, well intentioned, actually outlawed circumcision and exclusion, and that is what caused the Zealots’ ill fated revolt. Same old same old… Israel should meditate this, and the success of the Franks’ inclusive, democratic, open to all religions secular regime, that we enjoy to this day.
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November 25, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
Krishna says in the Gita that whenever there is an increase of adharma (unrighteousness) he will reincarnate to establish truth and put down wickedness. Hinduism seems to accept the inherent wickedness (the will to vice) of a few and the need to put it down and not turn the other cheek. He also says only the truth wins and that was the point of Mahabharata.
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November 26, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
Dear Partha: I answered you yesterday, at length, but, somehow, the answer does not show up! Weird. I have no time to reconstitute what I said. The main point, though, was that the truth does not always win. It can lose for centuries… In the case of fanatical Christianism (Catholicism, more exactly) and Islam, the truth (mostly) faltered for more than a millennium… In China soporific Confucianism reigned for 26 centuries when equanimity was supposed to be the highest mode, and truth, by opposition to truth itself being the highest pursuit, no matter what…
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November 26, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
Partha: The following was part of my (disappeared) answer to you:
..Only the truth wins, when there is enough truth to cut through the crap. Small truth does not a big victory necessarily makes.
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November 26, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
Thermonuclear war is a possible disrupter of Islamic thinking but I don’t see it as likely. The Abrahamic mindset loves war and feeds off war like a vampire feeds on blood. You said as much. I see any war if it does not extinguish humanity or result in the complete genocide of one side as just feeding the perpetual historical grudge.
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November 26, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
Yes, agreed Alexi, on all points. Complete genocide of one side is definitively a possibility. Thermonuclear war, even localized to a region (say the Middle East) would result in extreme disruption of modern resources. People would starve in massive numbers. A virus or two may also help, especially with no more electricity… So those who support fanaticism, that is, extremism, have to realize that genocide, genocide of their OWN side, is the extreme, and it is definitively achievable.
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November 26, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
..Think you e-motional “logic” will find this article interesting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/21/singapore-least-emotional-country-poll
Singapore is world’s least emotional country, poll finds
http://www.guardian.co.uk
Only 36% of Singaporeans report feeling positive or negative emotions on a daily basis, compared to 60% in the Philippines
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November 26, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
Dear Nathan Daniel: According to first approximation reasoning, that should make Singapore not very smart in the fullness of time. However, it is extremely smart for Singapore, a detached, autonomous piece of Malaysia, strategically placed, to appear as unemotional as possible, lest its enormous neighbors come to see it as an irritating grain of sand… Also smart to live in a camouflaged mental form, by sucking the financial juices from the rest of the planet…
It’s also smart to just apply deeper insights from places of deeper intelligence. There is a need.
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December 6, 2012 at 4:01 am |
[…] now, descendants of colons, and our ex-gods were made to justify colonization. Judaism and Islam, both sitting on top of Mount Zion, are striking examples. Israelis and Palestinians have to admit this, this flaw they have in […]
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February 4, 2014 at 9:22 am |
A suggestion I would make: to replace the traditional subject/object by the more experimentally oriented realistic/supertitionistic. The latter distinction is easier to define. Islam (like other Abrahamic religions) is a superstition supposed to create a simple baby universe for the infantile minded prone to the creature comfort of terminal mental laziness.
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