Tangled Network of Civilization

Civilization is like a living organism, it’s even a living creature which has to be created again continuously.

Consider a few examples:

Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup,” Jean-Claude Juncker, then chief of the Eurogroup, said at a Brussels conference on economic governance in 2011.

Indeed. Juncker allowed some of the largest plutocratic institutions in the world to escape taxes, in the order of trillions of dollars. He is, morally, a criminal, one of the most prominent. Thus, he is in charge.

Mr. Dijsselbloem replaced Mr. Junk. He is sour. He has a problem with the Greeks.

Westerners Came From The Orient

Westerners Came From The Orient

Or, more exactly, the Middle Earth. On top, in orange, the Steppe Origin of English, 6500 years old. On bottom, the Anatolian origin, older by 2,500 years. In an intermediate theory, Anatolian roots went up to the steppe, first. This sounds more natural, because the first cities came from Anatolia. Agriculture followed an even more southern route, through Crete and other Greek islands. In any case, (white man) language then went down to India.

Dijsselbloem is chief of the Eurogroup, since 2012, he whispered to Varoufakis, the Greek Finance Minister. Congratulations, you just killed the Troika!”. Varoufakis said:”Wow!”

Dijsselbloem does not represent the Troika… So what does he represent? The desire for a career similar to that of the guy who took over the party that Dijsselbloem joined straight out of high school.

That guy, Kok, became Prime Minister of the Netherlands, and later, after stepping down in 2002, became one of the most importantly rewarded politicians in the European Union, getting onto countless boards of “private” companies, such as Royal Dutch Shell, the ING bank, the privatized TNT-Post, etc.

Professional politicians ought to be outlawed, just like professional slave traders have been. And for the same reasons.

Civilization needs to be defended. Against the atavistic impulsion of the few to kill and abuse the many.

The CEO of HSBC, a bank suspected by authorities to finance hard drug networks and Al Qaeda, among other unsavory activities, is 55 years old. In 2003, 12 years ago, this remarkable creature got a secret bonus, worth ten million dollars or so. The bonus was so secret that nobody at the present HSBC knew about it. The money was in Singapore (did I need to say so?)

As Mr Junck above said, financial conspiracies are best conducted in secret. Only thus are they highly profitable. All the so called “Dark Pool” money passes through numbered accounts, diamonds, drugs, weapon and terror… to get cleaned and untraceable. HSBC Switzerland had 1,500 secret Saudi accounts.

As the Libyan dictator charged with his entire tank army into rebel Benghazi, after proclaiming all rebels would be kill to the last, the French Republic was right to destroy it. Civilization has to be saved, and this starts with destroying the enemies of civilization and humanity. However, after some French troops helped in the taking of Tripoli, the West got cold feet, and then unwisely left Lybia to its own instruments.

The situation in Libya was not going to be simple.

The West had a duty to send ground troops and help set-up a highly federalized society, where the oldest civilization could thrive again. Several part of vast Libya are vastly pre-Islamist, and even pre-Hellenistic.

But Libya is part of the roots of the West: Roman emperors’ families came from there. So Libya, and these roots, have to saved, just because they remind us of, and preserve, the reasons that helped bring us where we are. So they explain us, and embody our principles.

Some of the people who are the direct descendants of one of the oldest civilization fight for that, and their 3,200 year old Tifinagh alphabet. They need help. We did not give it to them. In no small reason because we obey force.

After he caged the FNL (Algerian Front National de Liberation) leader, (then French president) De Gaulle went to negotiate with him. Why? Not because Ben Bella was right and carrying the torch of civilization. No. Just because Ben Bella was strong. Being the leader of a terrorist group.

De Gaulle thought he could make Ben Bella an offer he could not refuse, gangster to gangster. (‘I give you Algeria, and also the Sahara with the oil, and the people therein who hate your guts, in exchange you give me UN votes.’) It was favorable to Ben Bella and the FNL, but De Gaulle just wanted to cleanse France from the non-French Algerians (I withdrew momentarily the appropriate epithets).

This is no way to build civilization.

At some point, it used to be fashionable, in the USA, to accuse some (typically French) intellectuals of “Orientalism”. (Those behind the fashion could be tracked to oil interests, of course.)

However, “Orient” was the notion used even before the rise of Rome… In fear of the future rise of something in Occident: as agriculture migrated West, with the rains, people in the Middle East could guess that the next superpower would be in the West (the sacred prophecies were kept in Republican Rome, as the most sacred book).

We are all from the Orient, and recent genetic studies have show just this: as agriculture migrated west, so did the farmers, through the Aegean islands such as Crete (the first publications on the genetics of this appeared in 2014, although the overall theory is much older).

The New York Times has this long article on the origin of English, the “Tangled Roots of English”, admitting finally that some cherished notions of linguistic are silly. Well, the silliness goes further than that: French (Germanized, abstracted and simplified Latin) and English (greatly a Franco-Normand invention), have about 80% words in common.

So the tree of linguistics is wrong. It’s not a tree. Just as with genetics, it’s more a network than a tree.

And it’s of course the same with civilization: a network, not a tree, and one, with many roots, not many, with no roots.

We come from everywhere, thus everywhere is our business. There is no civilization but civilization, and entanglement is its nature.

Patrice Ayme’

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13 Responses to “Tangled Network of Civilization”

  1. Duviel Says:

    You are trying to prove the point that civilization is a tangled network but, you touch on so many topics from latest war in Libya, to Greek financial crisis, to De Gaulle.

    Patrice, you give me a headache trying to figure out your theorem.

    You are looking only at one possible theory/aspect of origins of civilization/migration of peoples. I dont have time to go further into this but its not fully as you explain. I would be writing all day and I am at my employers office. Maybe you had same problem I have and it might explain the article.

    While you may be right about Junck, Dijsselbloem, and Kok and most every politician and big business executive (they are all corrupt), I am not sure how you make these direct links between them all. In particular why you assume Dijsselbloem wants to be Kok.

    “As the Libyan dictator charged with his entire tank army into rebel Benghazi, after proclaiming all rebels would be kill to the last, the French Republic was right to destroy it. Civilization has to be saved, and this starts with destroying the enemies of civilization and humanity. However, after some French troops helped in the taking of Tripoli, the West got cold feet, and then unwisely left Lybia to its own instruments.”

    You really sound very French (in above statement). Americans can be pretty self-centered but the French take the art to new heights. Always have. Just ask my French grandfather.

    If I ever sound this America-centered please let me know as well.

    “We are all from the Orient, and recent genetic studies have show just this: as agriculture migrated west, so did the farmers, through the Aegean islands such as Crete (the first publications on the genetics of this appeared in 2014, although the overall theory is much older)”.

    Well yes the accepted theory is that Homo Sapiens migrated from Africa through the Middle East (only land route) and spread out (along the coast first) west to Europe and east to Asia. You can more correctly say we are all African (with non-Africans having a small % of non homo-sapien DNA) but that would be a very simplistic explanation that denies thousands of years of evolution.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      It’s not just a theorem, but a network of them. Actually this is how mathematics work: no area of math I know off has just one theorem. Even Number Theory, which can get so sophisticated nobody is sure what has been proven and how (an allusion to the abc conjecture), depends also on simple proofs as already found in Euclid.

      People are motivated the way their predecessors were. Of course, there are exceptions, and even any physical law is a guess. However, in the case of the Dutch successor of Junck, it’s pretty clear that he took the Greek situation so hard, he knows his life (= career) depends upon it. Dijsselbloem is a career politician, he never did anything else. He is a power guy. All the power guys at some point want money. It is the mood of the times.

      An exception? The only one I know is ex-president Truman, who died poor.

      Jack Straw, the flamboyant British foreign minister, and presently an MP, was caught (with a few other MPs) selling his wares against money in the UK (by reporters with hidden cameras).

      The African origin of humanity theory was launched by Darwin. It’s just a theory (supported by genetic diversity in Africa).

      What I was specifically referring to was that genetic studies published in 2014 have shown grains and people went through the Aegean islands (and not through the Hellespont).

      I did not understand the “you sound very French” thing. I just related that a force of Mirages, protected by a force of Rafales, destroyed Kaddafi tank army on that Saturday morning in Benghazi suburbs. Just a fact.
      That proved, BTW, that Rafales can perform as advertised (namely with Active Stealth destroying air defenses). I don’t mind sounding French, American, or even Chinese and Russian, if the statement is true. I think that, for any nationality in the world, I can find a TRUTH that’s not politically correct, uttered in apparent defense of said ethnicity…. Or nation…

      It’s true that in the USA, France is not popular. Parents who used to go to French school as children tend to send their children to Spanish school (not knowing they fell in a plot organized by Washington plutocrats).


  2. Duviel Says:

    I am certainly no mathematician. But, I am sure you are correct.

    Motivation changes over time as cultural perspectives change. What we desire is in large part a social construct.

    Ok, do you know where I can read those 2014 genetic studies?

    What I meant was that in my experience French people (generally) are very proud and very Franco-centric (if thats a word). Americans are too and so are Spaniards. But, in my opinion the French are especialy skilled at this. I am half French, half Spanish by blood and I was born and raised in America.

    I thought you were giving a little to much credit to French armed forces by making it look as if France had single handedly liberated Libya and it was the rest of the allies whom got cold feet but not France.

    It is true that American press has recently turned against France because French government more than any other Euro nation has differed from US foreign relation objectives. Its all a media/political game. But, yes you are correct public opinion of France in the US is at a low point right now and vice versa as well a hear.

    The story of American tourists being treated rudely by French people while visiting France has become popular here to.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Duviel: I have to run right now. However, your feedback and a coincidence with a philosophy site, made me write another essay on the tangled web of reason. Happy you like it. I have thought on the foundations of math for longer than the average research mathematicians, I must confess…More later…


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Ah for the Libyan affair; it’s a fact the French Air Force and Navy were ordered to attack, unilaterally, as talks were still going on in Paris. Time was of the essence. It’s also a fact Tripoli was seized by Touaregs coming from the Nafusa mountains. The French had organized, for weeks a heavy weapons airlift into the Nafusa mountains. The surprise assault was in combination with the French equivalent of SEALs coming from the sea.

      Just relating the facts.

      That the French could unilaterally defeat Kaddafi’s tank army, which was extremely defended by all sorts of anti-aircraft systems (many on the move with the tanks; some from illegal Russian sales of outlawed missiles) is a testimony to the excellent capabilities of the Rafale “omnirole fighter-bomber” the only attack plane with active stealth (the USA’s Growler has some of its capabilities, but it’s essentially a jammer).

      Now, as far as being nationalistic, many countries are. I listen to the TV from more than a dozen countries, and I can testify to that…The Germans are a bit a special case…

      France did get cold feet after a hit by a Rafale got a wounded Kaddafi to befriend his peers, the sewer rats…

      Selling Rafales to president-general Al Sissi, is a change in the right direction…

      The war against France and the USA at this point is all about plutocracy. Hollande and company are mostly on the plutocratic/Wall Street side, but SOME French intellectuals are smelling a rat. People such as Badiou and Piketty. Nobody, though is as far out as I am. As I tried to explain, Badiou, Piketty and Marx are closer to Wall Street/Ugly bankers than to me.

      Amusingly, the only guy I know who saw the problem, as I have explained long ago was Andrew Jackson, great Terminator of Indians, de factor military dictator for a decade before he became president, and harboring two inoperable bullets within his body.

      Jackson saw the banking problem, yet he is still too advanced, and too dead, to get the Nobel in economics… But deserves it better than most.



      • Duviel Says:

        Maybe I was too quick to judge. I was under impression that France had been an equal participant with allies in Libya. But, maybe you are right about France being the lead force in that engagement.

        Don’t misunderstand me I love the French in all their ways. Very bright, open-minded outside the box thinkers. Very quick to tell you what they are unhappy with. Very hard to get along with. Always non-conforming.

        One of my dreams is to one day be able to visit, for a few years, Lol.

        “after a hit by a Rafale got a wounded Kaddafi to befriend his peers, the sewer rats”

        Ha, Ha, Ha!!

        Well French intelectuals have been known for calling out people who many others are scared of calling out. That could be an issue. The US has gotten used to other western countries going along with what US wants internationally. France has always been the only western power to consistantly go against american foreign affairs and Americans are not used to that. On the other hand France does not like the fact that the US has so much of what France thinks is theirs. Political, economic, military, and scientific superiority. Americans and Frenchman are too similar to get along. Both think highly of themselves and both take it very personal when you stand against them in anything.

        Also, it is realistically a better choice to learn Spanish if you are American today. The hispanic population in US is huge and growing. There are not too many people in US that speak primarily French anymore. Spanish is almost a necessity French is a nice luxury.

        I think you understand Andrew Jackson (and American political history) better than most Americans.


        • Patrice Ayme Says:

          Dear Duviel:
          All I was saying about Jackson is that he understood the modern banking system better than Paul Krugman, and the rest of them, famous economists. Including Marx (who said surprisingly little about banks).
          The relationship of France, once understood, and known as a civilization, is as the master, mistress, of mother civilization. The Franks replaced the Romans (400 CE), defeated the Huns (450 CE), conquered Germany, Italy, started to free Spain (from the Islamists), conquered England (1066), then Jerusalem (1099), Constantinople (1204), etc.

          All this happened because they Franks were guided by a superior philosophical system. By the late 18C, the French police had to tell Jefferson and company that they could not keep slaves in Paris (whatever their diplomatic immunity), and had to pay them a living wage.

          So the tension between France and the USA is from way back. It’s the tension of grandparent to the grandchild, or child, of the teacher to the student, etc.

          America’s credo is the ever expanding frontier, atavistic wisdom as found in France, is that all has to be considered, and that there is no royal road to wisdom, yet that wisdom ought to rule. At the UN, it’s 1789 that rules, not just 1776…


          • Duviel Rodriguez Says:

            I wish my granpa was still alive. Gotta love it!

            Like I said before you do think highly of yourself.


          • Patrice Ayme Says:

            Happy to make your grandpa’s soul happy. As far as having a high opinion of myself, I think it goes with the territory. Anything less, and I won’t venture there.


  3. EugenR Says:

    I was reading this article in the BBC, and almost cried out of sorrow for mr. Mohammed Emwazi called Jihady John, and the cruelty he had to suffer from, that obviously explains the reasons behind him beheading dozens of representatives of Western inhumanity and nihilism.
    As to Asim Qureshi, the research director of the London-based human rights group Cage is of course a very humanistic organisation, who can explain all the beheadings, acts of rape, muslim fascistic verbal and non verbal cruelty as a humanistic act of self defense.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Thanks Eugen, very interesting!
      (BTW, I don’t know if the irony is understood by all: many of these monster are described as “beautiful, soft-spoken, most gentle, etc.”, just as was in the article you link.)
      The fact is, as the late USA sniper Chris Kyle had it, there are “savages”. Or “barbarians” (bababababa), as Ancient Greece had it. Maybe I put another essay on that today…


    • Duviel Rodriguez Says:

      Same old story. Always someone making excuses for POS’s in society. Its never their fault, they are always the victims. It sickens me!

      Thanks for the laugh.


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