Mentality Trumps Logic

Mental States Trump (Local Linear) Logic

TRUMP MADNESS MENTALLY ENLIGHTENING, thank you, all of you, clueless fanatics, for providing us with not just entertainment, but insights on how insects think.

How do people think? When thinking about thinking, intellectuals tend to go back to Plato describing the mythical Socrates ponderously going from a) to c) because a) implied b) and b) implied c). Well, this is NOT how the brain works. The brain has basically two systems: Local Linear Logic, and Topological Logic (TL = emotion, so we will call it ES, the Emotional System). LLL and ES are entangled. For example, ES, the Emotion System, shuts off, and opens, various sub-systems in the brain. Moreover the ES directs consciousness into these subsystems. Each of these systems comes with its own logic. So there is no such a thing as “logic” per se. 

Actually modern axiomatics in logic considers that any Logic L comes with its own Universe U (in which it sits, so to speak). Varying U varies L. Thus a Logic L in the brain, sitting in subsystem S1 will be different from one sitting in subsystem S2, because they constitute different universes U. (An aspect of that was long known, as thinkers argued that various drugs, from alcohol to THC enabled them to reach various stages of consciousness…)

Thus what Plato talked about is basically irrelevant to foster wisdom. What is relevant is mental subsystems selection, how, and why. And even subsystem management. Instead, Plato explores logic, LLL. And recent events have been enlightening: LLL is mostly secondary for directing people’s behavior. 

I think, Therefore I sting. At Least, Sometimes, I Feel That Way.

I Think, Therefore I Sting. At Least, Sometimes, I Feel That Way.

By “Trump Madness” I do not mean Trump is mad, far from it: after all, he is the next president, and already causing more change than Obama did in 8 years (see Europe dumping “austerity” within 30 hours of Trump’s election). Clearly, there was a very smart method to Trump’s madness, and it was highly successful for him, as he obtained the loftiest job in the world (at least as far as conventional wisdom has it; in truth the loftiest job is mine, but never mind…). Thus “Trump madness” was anything except madness, on the part of Trump… Or his supporters (who also got what they wanted).

The real madness has been the flow of insults and indiscriminate violence on the part of “Clinton” supporters. Innocent thinkers were called “unscholarly, uncouth, anti-semitic, racist, xenophobic, judged to have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder,  and compulsive liars”. This was just a sampler of the most polite insults directed at me… by “friends”… and I am NOT a Trump supporter. Just thought to be so, because I rolled out all sorts of graphs depicting demoncracy (from inequality, to incarceration, rate, to life expectancy, to government investment, etc.).

Never mind that this was all for positions I held sometimes for decades, they are all extremely progressive, and I am just culprit of having Trump embracing them.

Insults directed at Trump were often obviously more insane than grievous. Trump was called “xenophobic” (the evidence is, the exact opposite, that is, Trump is an extreme xenoPHILE). Trump was called “anti-semitic” (his beloved and trusted son-in-law is an observant Jew). Trump was called a business failure (he grew his “organization”, now in 60 countries, from 17 million dollar to somewhere around ten billion…)

How come Clinton supporters became so abusive? OK, they were surprised. Not just because people were scared to reveal in the polls that they would vote for Trump, skewing polls (pollster Nate Silver discovered this a week or two before the vote, so he “unskewed” the polls, and revealed the chances of Trump were significant; I knew for months, just talking to people, that people were hiding their Trump preferences).

Clinton supporters did not turn abusive and insulting just because what they worry about turns out not to be what most of the country worries about. But, mostly, they hated, because it turned out that they had become strangers to themselves, and the world. Part of them rose in fury, and took over their persona, because they wanted to lash out, so great was the pain that uncomprehension caused..

The Clinton supporters had no idea how neurohormonally entangled with (their idea of) their candidate. Precisely because they were deliberately ignored the (left, leftist, liberal, progressive) case I have made for more than eight years (with all those graphs), they had turned into fanatics, Jihadists, because they had rejected (the unsavory) reality.

The mental order in the brains of these self-described progressives, supposed to address politics, had become hopelessly disconnected from reality. For example, in judging Obama, they judged his brown skin, but not the fact Obama was led by the nose by Lawrence Summers, the Harvard-Goldman Sachs surrogate who had dismantled, under Bill Clinton, the Banking Act of 1933 (“G-S”). And this, seven months before Obama reigned. And they ignored hundreds of other indicators which were flashing way more right, and corporate fascism, than any other president before.

Thus the mental subsystems Clinton supporters activated over the years made them not just unreal, but incapable of activating anything else. One of my prefered game these days is to question Clinton-Obama fanatics about Quantitative Easing. I generally draw a blank. The self-perceived) most clever ones tell me it was a good thing. So here you have so-called progressives saying that giving more than ten trillion dollars to the world richest, most corrupt people and institutions was… a good thing.

Guess what, you dummies? It was a good thing only for plutocracy, also known as demoncracy. The only person who could understand what I was talking about, and agreed with me, before meeting me, is Senior VP in a major bank.

People think first with their neurohormones. Tell me their neurohormones most active, and I can tell you where their Local Linear Logic delves. Obsessions leads and localizes reflection.

Is there experimental evidence for the preceding? Yes, there is, from… insects. The theory of consciousness is starting to rise. It involves making flies play videogames, or seeing if, like American students, they can get scared. Flies can be put in a state of “scariness” and wanting to get to a “safe space”.

Insects have a rudimentary ego, though very different from Narcissus or classical literature would have it. Insect ego appears as the ability to act and mentally concentrate on certain environmental cues thus ignoring others. “They don’t pay attention to all sensory input equally,” cognitive scientist Andrew Barron of Australia’s Macquarie University declared.

When you and I are hungry, we don’t just move towards food, as bacteria do. Our hunger creates a particular feeling (an emotion) which, in turn rearrange which subsystems are activated in our brain. Such a state is called a “subjective experience” in traditional philosophy. Do insects have the same? Obviously they do (I can say from anecdotes, and thus as a philosopher; scientists will verify and make sure).

Insects can be led into mental states which do not fit reality. So can humans (humans even do this deliberately, when they play or make jokes). Once in such a state, a particular logic, the universe of which is that precise mental state, flows. That Local Linear Logic is particular, yet it leaves (neural) connections behind. If suddenly precipitated, for real, in a situation calling for that mental state, the LLL is ready to kick in. That’s why humans play, and make jokes.

This election was a joke. So were the mental states most citizens put themselves, or let themselves been put, in the last few decades. Time to wake up.

And time to wake up to the reality that it is moods which create logic, even more than it is logic which creates moods.

Patrice Ayme’

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55 Responses to “Mentality Trumps Logic”

  1. Alexi Helligar Says:

    On a deep level we who oppose Trump are also engaged in choosing him along with his overt supporters — who, after all, are also our friends and family. No reality comes into existence without our agreement.

    I am questioning all my relationships, assumptions, and deep personal motivations in order to understand my choice in manifesting this reality.

    Something is clearly disordered, and I think the solution starts within each and every one of us, then extends to our closest relationships, then to the broader community.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      This is the context that my essay tries to sketch: our mental states are primordial, to establish logic itself, yet, they arise from our environment… which has its own logic

  2. SDM Says:

    What has Trump done to lead Europe to “dump austerity”? Most of Trump’s cabinet picks seem bent on deregulation, fossil fuels and other plutocratic goodies together with attacks on civil liberties, the press, flag burners, etc.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I already mentioned this and nearly wrote an essay on it. Trump won Wednesday at noon, European (Franco-German) time. Within 24 hours the EC announced several hyper stressed countries (Portugal, Greece, etc.) were not held by the 3% deficit rule (long amply violated by the French juggernaut… “Because it is France” explained JC Junkers…). So now no more 3% deficit limit. Obama ran above 15% deficit/GDP… But it was mostly to give to his corporate fascist friends…

      We will attack Trump when he legislates cruelly. Right now the Sioux are fighting on a few miles remaining to be constructed of a 1,145 miles pipe line authorized by, and 99% constructed under, the Obama (NOT Trump!) administration….

      So, at the limit, Trump Derangement Syndrome is a way to be rabidly for the pipe line plunged by Obama through the Sioux’ heart…. ;-)…

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_protests

      • SDM Says:

        Thanks, I was not aware of the change on the 3% rule.Could this have been coincidence? As for Trump otherwise, his cabinet choices do not look like a draining of the swamp.

  3. Alexi Helligar Says:

    Thank you for insights. The way of philosophy is hard, but as we both know it has its many rewards. I love you!

  4. brodix Says:

    Patrice,

    Wake up to the fact we are governed by emotion? What are we to wake up from? Our emotions?
    Trump won because “he knows how to make money.”
    That’s the carrot capitalism dangles in front of everyone.
    Yet money is an asset backed by an obligation. Debt.
    So we reach for the stars, as the floor falls away.
    What is it that we will learn? Karma?
    What goes around, comes around?
    What goes up, comes back down.
    We are awake, in the here and now and that is all we ever will be.
    The narrative is getting more interesting though.

    • Gmax Says:

      I think Patrice is saying that logic is completely dominated by emotion. Emotion MAKES the logic.

      Nietzsche said we thought with guts, Patrice says the hormones come first. WITH versus FIRST

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Brodix: Reading what you Gmax and SDM said, I boosted the essay. making my thoughts more precise and (hopefully) more substanciated…

  5. Gmax Says:

    They insult, because that’s all they have, like you say.

    The exchange with that Luong guy was interesting. He insulted you, called you unscholarly. Uncouth, he said. You replied kindly, with lots of details, plenty of new quotes, from the Coran, showing how EVIL ISLAM IS, and he felt silent like the other insulters on your Facebook page

  6. Alexi Helligar Says:

    Alexi: Dark humor. Sad.
    From Borowitz/Newyorker.com:

    “President-elect Donald J. Trump will no longer have day-to-day responsibility for driving his businesses into bankruptcy and will instead focus on bankrupting the country, one of his leading surrogates said on Wednesday.

    Appearing on Fox News, Kellyanne Conway said that while Trump no doubt could “plunge both his businesses and the country into bankruptcy at the same time,” he feels that he “owes it to the American people to put them first.”

    Acknowledging that Trump has no government experience, Conway said that his years of bankrupting a variety of companies would prove “invaluable” as he does the same to the United States.

    “It’s going to surprise a lot of people when they see how great he is at this,” she said.”

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      That sort of FAKE news is supposed to be funny, and Borowitz is funny, if one knows how outrageously insane the assertion that Trump is a business failure is. But that fakery makes Alexi sad, so is in a way real.

      Moreover, it is completely false: Trump has been a highly successful businessman, probably in the top 1%. However, as people do not look out of the local subsystem from which they get their data, they come to believe lies (exactly the way fanatics are created).

      So I have met plenty of people who really think Trump is a complete business failure. Thus they built up a completely erroneous logic in which they believe. That does not make them much different from the most obtuse Jihadist.

      Garbage in, garbage out, and meanwhile, one becomes a garbage container…So beware what you swallow.

  7. brodix Says:

    Patrice,

    I am in general agreement with you. While you make an interesting and thought provoking argument, I do think you are banging your head on the wall with this one. It is a matter of waiting for the dust to settle a bit and people to come to their senses.
    Yes, there was a shallow, but broad social mindset built up around an illusory leftward movement, in the similarly broad, but not very deep shadow of Obama and it toppled. They are going to have to get over it on their own. There are larger issues out there and this will prove more a molehill, than a mountain. It’s all part of the iphone generation’s growing up process. These are cracked egg shells.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Brodix: Banging my head on which argument???? I used to trash Trump, 26 years ago, for reasons having to do with bankruptcy and celebrity status, and the question of what I call “celebritism”, in connection with banks, and I don’t have Alzheimer yet. I remember. But we need to help steer the debate, and action, the CORRECT way. Not just the pseudo PC, pseudo left, truly plutocratic way of those Clintons, best friends of… Trump… For decades…

  8. Alexi Helligar Says:

    The post-work world requires a basic initial infrastructure before it can become self-sustaining. We are currently at a delicate moment in history where we can act to create that initial infrastructure, or act to destroy it.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      There will be no post work world. Thinking is working. I think, therefore I work. This said, Trump is going to spend (he hopes) one trillion dollar, per year, on real infrastructure (I hope) and that will be work, and the US CANNOT go bankrupt, whatever (non-)funny guys like Borowitz claims

  9. Alexi Helligar Says:

    Agreed that thinking is working. I don’t trust Trump as far as I can lift him and throw him. I expect a total disaster for the USA and for the world. I hope I am as wrong about this prediction as I was about his chances to be elected president.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Relax about Trump, Alexi, please! The situation is already extremely disastrous. Obama, PBUH, did nothing in 8 years, except having a brownish skin, and agreeing to the world according to Bill Clinton’s creatures… without Bill Clinton’s common sense and guts. So now we have, for example, the problem of North Korea. Hyper disastrous. Even the Obama people told the Trump people it was hyper disastrous. Basically all allegations about Trump are either imaginary, or irrelevant. Please re-read my essay carefully, if you have time! BTW Obama is a personal friend of mine, I look forward having frank and direct conversations with him in future, and my spouse’s skin is just as brownish…

      • Alexi Helligar Says:

        Thanks for the encouraging word, Patrice. You challenge me and it is not always comfortable. I guess Barack feels the same as I do. Given the way you have savaged him relentlessly, I am surprised he would still see you as a “good friend”. Clearly, his ability to look past insults has to be one of his supreme virtues.

        • Patrice Ayme Says:

          Wait a minute. Barry did savage us, with silly decisions following his minders.

          A real “insult” is something thrown at someone without reason. A “jump” (saltare). If Barry did not want to attract some conclusions, he had to do differently. When he decided to go the way of Lawrence Summers, Robert Rubin, and Hank Paulson, he decided to be called a shoe polisher of great white men. His problem, and then increased inequality, and then, our problem.

          I was the best friend he could have, because I told the truth. Nothing but the truth. And the truth is that people are going to realize he, Obama, was way right of Reagan, on most things economic (including on banks, and the basic implementation of Obamacare; only the public option could really work…).

          I recognize Obama faced enormous opposition from the ENTIRE Demoncratic Party. He actually proposed (my) Medicare For All, and was vetoed by the entire cabinet, in January 2009. So I don’t resent him. For excellent reason having to do with child, we could not go to Washington DC. I regret nothing.

  10. brodix Says:

    Patrice,

    The argument I have been making against Capitalism is that money is the ultimate public utility. Especially one backed by public debt.

    We are reflections of nature and society is reflections of biology. Government is the central nervous system of the nation and it started as private enterprise, eventually institutionalized as monarchy and when that proved too inefficient, it evolved into a public utility.
    We are going through the same process with our economic circulation system, aka finance.

    This is part of a comment I made to an Aeon article a couple days ago, with some of the ideas I’m trying to add to the debate;

    “While we think of money as a commodity to be mined or manufactured, from gold to bitcoin, it actually functions as a social contract. Every asset is the other side of an obligation. This allows us to be able to work with large numbers of people we do not otherwise know, or even meet, yet because we can trust this contractual network, we can exchange value throughout the economy.

    The down side of that efficiency is this very atomized society, because we are not directly reliant on the people we know personally. Our bank accounts(or credit cards) become our economic umbilical cord, rather than organic reciprocity with those around us.

    In the current situation though, given some of those deeper beliefs about our relationships to each other and our world, this financial system is being strained to the breaking point and while it might amount to a catastrophic heart attack for the current economic model, it might also present an opportunity to create a more viable system.

    We treat money as both medium of exchange and store of value, but as such these function at cross purposes. A medium is circulatory and dynamic, while a store is static excess. For instance, in the body, the medium is blood, while the store is fat. Too much blood will kill you quickly, while fat in the circulation system is eventually fatal. Clogged arteries, poor circulation to the extremities and high blood pressure are analogous to a bloated financial sector, poor wealth circulation through much of the economy and quantitive easing.

    The problem is that individually we experience money as quantified hope, so we try to save it. If we simply stash it away, more would constantly have to be added for the system to keep functioning, until there is too much and then everyone would try to dump it and the system crashes. So we are encouraged to keep it in banks, in order to lend out and keep it in circulation. Eventually though the opportunities to invest cannot hold the infinite amounts we want to save.

    Now we have the government borrowing up enormous amounts and using it to blow up little countries, etc, but the return on that will likely prove to be poor.

    So we have to get back to more circular and reciprocal methods. For instance, if the government was to make the argument that money functions as a public utility and has to be regulated as such, much as the body regulates the amount of blood, they could threaten to tax excess money out and not just borrow it. Then people would quickly find other ways to store wealth. Such as in stronger communities and healthier environments, aka, the commons. Rather than treating any possible resource as an opportunity to turn into money.

    Most people save for the same general reasons, housing, healthcare, children, retirement, etc. So if we have stronger communities, many of these needs could again become more organic reciprocal functions, with public banking keeping accounts.

    Which is not to say we give up the many advantages of modern life, but the economic and social structures leading up to this point are not very stable and in the coming reset, we will find what does work and what does not.”

    There are various points I’m making here, such as blood being analogous to money, money being like roads, etc, that could stick in peoples minds and that is what really needs to be done; Make basic arguments with real sticking power. Emotion over intellect. People are really attached to money as security and that is the worm on the hook that holds people to this system and not each other. If they can understand it really is a form of broad social contract, not their own personal keepsake, then the spell might be broken.
    People who love money and hate government are like the fish that loves the worm, but hates the hook.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Aeon is a good thing: no censorship. Differently from Massimo’s censorship and self-aggrandizement (hahaha). I missed that Aeon article.

      A sustainable society is one without self-aggrandizing, exponentializing singularities: because the more equal mental opportunity the society, the more imaginative, the more clever. Hence the society has to be organized to prevent singularities from forming… as long as they are not justified by superior intelligence.

      The present system favors singularities in the gathering of financial powers. Thanks to the way the financial crisis was “solved” (by giving more to the rich, Hank Paulson organized, Nancy Pelosi & OBAMA approved). Thanks also to QE, the WAY it was done (it could have been done by giving to the poor and research… as Obama’s “stimulus” did a bit, with great results!!!)

      All this happened because the luminaries of the pseudo-left (Krugman, Stiglitz, New York Times, NewYorker, great universities, etc.) did not see it, or could not explain it, or were unwilling to understand it, or… Everything was in my site, right, but it does not get the diffucion it deserves (IMHO)

      When I came out with quotes of Marcus Aurelius highly damaging to Marcus Aurelius’ reputation as a nice and wise stoic, Massimo P banned me from his stoic philosophy site: because we are not allowed to criticize Marcus Aurelius, if one wants to pretend to be a stoic. It has been the same with the pseudo-left: many were the truths I proferred, and I was banned for them. There are a t least 30 such truths one should never say, lest one is brandished as biased towards (nasty) realism.

      • brodix Says:

        Patrice,

        https://aeon.co/essays/why-theres-no-place-like-home-for-anyone-any-more

        I don’t think we can have a society in which such vortices can’t form, anymore than we could have an atmosphere in which tornados and hurricanes don’t form. We need to understand them better.
        It simply benefits some to keep the majority in the dark, as to how finance functions. I don’t think many of those profiting from it really step back and try to understand it. It might distract and detract from how well they play the game.
        For one thing, it is good to have the financial mechanism separate from political influences, i.e., part of normal government, because easy money is a quick fix, but long term disaster for many political problems. The reason the Rothschilds and the Bank of England were so successful was that they were not directly controlled by the Crown, King Charles, I think.
        That doesn’t mean it isn’t a public utility. Much as the head and the heart are separate, but the nervous system and the circulation system are both integral to the body.
        Keep in mind much of this world has been an exponential curve upward of the last several centuries, with better technology, health, agriculture, etc and in the long view it might well be just a hiccup in the history of humanity. The end of the beginning, rather than the beginning of the end.
        So as I see it, the US has gotten a bit ahead of itself and pushed much of the nations of the Eurasian continent into working together in ways they never would have, if we hadn’t knocked over so many sacred cows.
        So now we have Trump, who is a bit of an American Frankenstein. A trickle down true believer who doesn’t quite realize bankruptcy for a country is different than for a company.
        As my father used to say; Owe the bank a hundred dollars and you are in trouble. Owe the bank a million dollars and the bank is in trouble.
        Bomb, meet trigger.
        So after all the debt holding this bubble up starts to rot, there will be a crisis and those financiers will find they are no longer in control. Then there will be a brief window of opportunity for new ideas to spread, before the real bad guys start to take over. Though I think in this country, there is much energy and opportunities to explore possibilities, than would be in smaller, more oligarchical societies.
        We can only plant seeds now and hope they sprout.

        • Patrice Ayme Says:

          The Aeon article about no place like home was nice. But Heidegger was not the first to find that, or even to make it a cornerstone. Herder, another German fanatic, came earlier. And all and any civilization worth that definition had a definition entangled with ancestor cult. In my brain theory, the brain is a crazy, self-taught engineer in partnership with another engineer, even more crazy, the environment.

          The exponential is all over, it’s not the USA alone. Present day France, geographically the core, but only 25% of historical Francia (the mother empire) has as large a population as the Roman empire when it went from Scotland to Mesopotamia, and Crimea to Morocco, and more than 200 times the per capita GDP.

          Finance is unnecessary, at the limit. Many excellent empires were run without. When the French Republic confronted all the European plutocrats opposing it had plenty of money, and the Republic had none. Still, in the grander scheme of things, the Republic (nearly) won (process not finished).

          Conclusion: the USA cannot go bankrupt. Trump is right on that (although he did not say, this, I think, but i will….)

          (What about France? Well, the Euro is a complication. In practice not, and that’s why France could violate the 3% rule…)

          • brodix Says:

            Much of the Roman empire was organically local, though there was coinage and debt was likely only between traders who knew and respected each other.
            The sort of finance we have today is an entirely different creature and it has metastasized far beyond its primary function of allowing commercial exchange. The fact that there is enormous amounts of debt, which do serve as the basis for presumably equal amounts of “savings” will be a problem. If there ever became a time interest rates either started to climb, or investors grew leery of buying much public debt, this house of cards will get very shaky.
            Then there is all the personal debt, from student loans, cars, credit cards, to houses, along with all the corporate debt taken out at low interest rates to buy back stock and keep the market elevated and ceo’s pay high. The more this can is kicked down the road, the bigger it gets and they say debt doesn’t matter. Until it does.
            When the bubble of aspirational wealth does pop, people are going to be scrambling to trade paper value for real assets and many of the wealthy have been doing this for a long time, driving up everything from real estate to art.
            With Trump those “public/private partnerships” are going to be used to buy public properties with paper assets and we will find Disaster Capitalism coming home to the US.
            Off to work…

            • Patrice Ayme Says:

              Indeed. The Roman empire was enormously local. Local legilatively enough to allow global plutocracy to run amok, and that was its undoing.

              Finance as practiced by Goldman Sachs and its ilk should have criminal consequences.
              Debt is not a survival issue. Exploding nukes over San Francisco is an existential issue. One can annihilate all debt, civilization would go on. One H bomb over a major Western city, and you can kiss democracy, even civilization, good bye…

            • Patrice Ayme Says:

              Oh, BTW, I approve the nomination as Sec. of Defense, of 4 star Marine general ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis, a combat general who led in combat the first Marine Division 3 times (1991, 2001, 2003), and a fine strategist thinker. Exactly what was needed. BTW, Mattis is no friend of Putin, puttin’ to rest fanciful fantaisies about Trump being Putin’s puppet…

            • EugenR Says:

              Agree. Money seems to be a very lousy value holder. Even if there is no inflation in consumption items, the money holder loses its value relatively to a property holder.

            • Patrice Ayme Says:

              Money is just a ticket system organized by the State. The value is whatever the State thinks it is.

    • Gmax Says:

      There is 20 TRILLION DOLLARS of debt, government debt, in the US alone. Trump will turn on inflation, debt will disappear

    • EugenR Says:

      The idea of looking on the society as a biological system happened to be the most disastrous idea ever risen by the humans. It brought to humanity the two most disastrous ideologies, the Nazism and Communism. Social political system, in which an individual is seen as a cell of a great system, brings devaluation of the individual. Yet, most of the people in the society are willingly led and fooled by the leading elites of the society, and the US election is just a very good example that proves this fact. The elites, when feel secure from public outrage that can sweep them as dirt (as it happened after WWI in Europe), they have tendency to become corrupt, meaning, using the ignorance of the masses to enrich themselves. By becoming rich, they have false belief that they also have power to hold the lid on the boiling pot. It doesn’t always must to be truth. The Arab-Muslim world showed how unpredictable the masses have become in the age of internet. D. Trump is kind of mini-revolution of the ignored, ignorant masses. For while it will work. At the end the unprofessional or low-level professionals, are going in the near future to lose their position in the society. And this will not be due to competition from India or China.
      As to the money, we live in a time of great confusion, what function will keep the money in the economy in the future. It seems it ceased to be an instrument of saving for the future. The banking system, fully operating the virtual money, is under continuous attack from digital frauds. Then you have the alternative money systems, and not only bitcoin, but also all discount vouchers, direct investment platforms, products available on the web free of charge, etc. As the technology advances and is more and more available, so the banking system and the money is less and less relevant.
      I don’t see those, who try to analyze what’s really is going on. Most of the economist are surprised, that the interest rate is 0, the government budgets are skyrocketing, and still there is no inflation. Since the enormous debts of everybody countable, the expectation for inflation have become the new Messiah of the economists. Everybody is waiting for Godo, but he is not coming. Why? Because the consumption itself is becoming virtual, free of charge. Money loses its relevance.
      Time to reevaluating the economic realities.

      • Patrice Ayme Says:

        Dear Eugen: You made several good and deep points. I think your comment needs to NOT just be the comment of a comment, although I do understand that this is a good answer to Brodix (who has a more elevated notion of debt, and compares the people to a “fish”). So I am going to move a copy of it as a main comment. Interestingly, one part you mentioned, that people will lose their jobs, seems to be the main reason a campaign of hatred is organized againsat me by some of my “Democratic” friends: their jobs are on line with the Trump Revolution…

        • EugenR Says:

          Thanks, I am working on a big essay, in which, I try to analyse what’s happening with the economy as a system, less and less understood by the economists. Many contradictory trends are neutralising each other meanwhile. But the surprises are behind the corner. Hard to predict, but the technologies impact is unpredictable, and what is already predictable holds already same revolutionary changes. And then you have the Arab world plus some highly populated Muslim countries, with very gloomy perspective.

          • Patrice Ayme Says:

            I am advising a start-up. They manufacture in China. I say: you don’t need Chinese work, 3D printing will be better, stronger, instantaneously changeable, and no more workers… (Aside from existing contracts, a problem is investors from the Middle Kingdom…). But aside from this particular case, it’s clear the Trump strategy can work… with and thanks to, 3 D printing…

            The Muslims, frankly have to change metaphysics, quite a bit as Israel did after the Shoah… Otherwise they are going to be shoahized, and not necessarily by Israel, as the situation in Syria shows… Hamas is all happy of having 2 millions Gazaeans, but great populations generally precede great crashes….

            • EugenR Says:

              China will thrive, because the Chinese people see themselves as part of a big entity with brighter future and cultural coherence, heading towards major goal, they can identify with. Then I have to say a very unpopular opinion, their political system seems to be much more efficient and effective than the US or European system. Their politics doesn’t have to be influenced by some temporary mood of the masses. It has the capacity to sign long term goals and work consistently to achieve it. Lately they adopted policy of environmental clearance, policy the US is not capable to adopt. Soon we will see the results. I will try a prediction, they will soon take leading position in this issue, and become the Mecca of the world, while leaving US behind.
              As to the Arab Muslim world, they definitely have to charge metaphysics, but then they will not be anymore Arabs-Muslims, but people like me and you. Will they do it? I have my doubts. In their desperation the Arab youth is turning more and more to their ancient beliefs. Beliefs that will doom them. The question is how the neighbouring Europe will cope with it? Are we going to see rise of destructive forces implementing cultural segregation, or will the existing liberal-humanistic Europe adopt a more moderate form, and Europe will start to protect its post WWII cultural political heritage? Germany is the crucial link in this chain. It has the capacity to change the events, while still remembering and learning from their past. Merkel has the brains to understand it, the question is what kind of moral understandings she brought from her post Nazi, post communistic past. She have seen the absolute evil, a political system can cause, will she have the commitment to oppose it, when it comes in unexpected religious form? To be or not to be, das is the question.

            • Patrice Ayme Says:

              Xi is right? Hmmm… I have to move that interestingly provocative comment: it can’t be read on mobile devices…

  11. Alexi Helligar Says:

    Keep doing what you do, Patrice!

    Dr. Cornel West says, “What I mean is we’ve had neoliberal rule from Carter to Obama. That neoliberal rule left in place a national security state. It left in place massive surveillance. It left in place the ability of the president to kill an American citizen with no due process. That’s Obama. That was the culmination of the neoliberal era. Now you get someone who is narcissistic — which is to say out of control psychologically — who is ideologically confused — which is to say, in over his head — and who does he choose? The most right wing reactionary zealots which lead toward the arbitrary deployment of law, which is what neofascism is, but to reinforce corporate interests, big bank interest, and to keep track of those of us who are cast as peoples of color, women, jews, Arabs, Muslims, Mexicans, and so forth, and so — So, this is one of the most frightening moments in the history of this very fragile empire and fragile republic.”

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I do agree with Cornel West as far as evaluating Obama. The rest, on Trump, is pure speculation. Yes, Trump has a giant ego. If Trump turns into a giant monster, can he be stopped? Of course. What is the main problem, short term? North Korea’s nukes, not abortion (at worst Trump would make local abortion laws in some states similar to those in, say, France!!!!! So what?)

      • Gmax Says:

        What’s the abortion situation in France?

        • Patrice Ayme Says:

          One of the French commenters on this site should comment. My understanding is that abortion is allowed there fully up to 4 months, and NOT allowed if the child is viable and the life of the mother not on the line (which never happens in France, say French doctors…)

  12. Gmax Says:

    Brodix: Debt is nothing, nukes are everything. Beloved Great Leader Donald First of His Name, is surrounding himself with generals and alpha males

  13. Alexi Helligar Says:

    Alexi Helligar: Ryan Gavel gives a great talk on the infrastructure we need in order to create a successful post-work society.

    Urban planner Ryan Gravel shares the story of how his hometown of Atlanta, Georgia, rallied to build a massive urban park that will transform an abandoned railroad track into 22 miles of public green space called the Atlanta BeltLine. The places we live aren’t inevitable, he says — and if we want something different, we need to speak up.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I would prefer post-manual, full thought society… Rather than “post-work”. Mental work exhausts me. I need nature to recharge. Especially if I do physical activity therein, demonstrating physical work can be easier than mental work.

  14. brodix Says:

    Patrice, Gmax,

    If they go nuclear, it is very much back to local.

    For me, the question is whether the paradigm can be advanced and that requires a better, more practical understanding of the processes at work and that means some broad scale cooperative effort, not just this swinging back and forth between fear and greed, that occupies so much of humanity.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Going back to the Inca empire? Genghis Khan’s initial organization?

      I remind you that, for centuries, the Roman Republic had an ABSOLUTE LIMIT on each family’s wealth. Why don’t we try that again? I proposed… The rupture of that law make the Republic fail. This is nearly the most important lesson of Rome.

      • brodix Says:

        Patrice,

        And, I am sure, for deeply held philosophic reasons, but in good old capitalist USA, applying such top down rules wouldn’t fly. That’s why the problem has to be approached from other directions. Such as relating money to blood and in need of self regulation. As well as a publicly supported currency as a public utility. Then the idea of private possession of it would be like private possession of the roads. We all use them and it’s the fact it’s all interchangeable that makes roads work, just like the fungibility of money makes it work.
        Then people will realize that it allows those with the most to dominate everyone else. So simply being a banker no longer gives you the right to as much as possible. Which would slow and reverse the financialization of much of the rest of the economy, society and the environment.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      With hypersonic transport (and bombers!) on the study board, “local” is no long term option. Even New Zealand could establish a worldwide empire, should the others falter… Moreover, radioactivity is no big problem in a syate of total war (die of cancer at 30 by the sword, at 40 by the atom…)

  15. Patrice Ayme Says:

    https://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/inflation-good-stagnation-bad/

    https://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2012/04/06/inflation-now-in/

    https://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/2416/

  16. Patrice Ayme Says:

    In reply to brodix.[Moved by PA for clarity and prominence!]

    The idea of looking on the society as a biological system happened to be the most disastrous idea ever risen by the humans. It brought to humanity the two most disastrous ideologies, the Nazism and Communism. Social political system, in which an individual is seen as a cell of a great system, brings devaluation of the individual.

    Yet, most of the people in the society are willingly led and fooled by the leading elites of the society, and the US election is just a very good example that proves this fact. The elites, when feel secure from public outrage that can sweep them as dirt (as it happened after WWI in Europe), they have tendency to become corrupt, meaning, using the ignorance of the masses to enrich themselves. By becoming rich, they have false belief that they also have power to hold the lid on the boiling pot. It doesn’t always must to be truth.

    The Arab-Muslim world showed how unpredictable the masses have become in the age of internet. D. Trump is kind of mini-revolution of the ignored, ignorant masses. For while it will work. At the end the unprofessional or low-level professionals, are going in the near future to lose their position in the society. And this will not be due to competition from India or China.

    As to the money, we live in a time of great confusion, what function will keep the money in the economy in the future. It seems it ceased to be an instrument of saving for the future. The banking system, fully operating the virtual money, is under continuous attack from digital frauds.

    Then you have the alternative money systems, and not only bitcoin, but also all discount vouchers, direct investment platforms, products available on the web free of charge, etc. As the technology advances and is more and more available, so the banking system and the money is less and less relevant.

    I don’t see those, who try to analyze what’s really is going on. Most of the economists are surprised, that the interest rate is 0, the government budgets are skyrocketing, and still there is no inflation.

    Since the enormous debts of everybody countable, the expectation for inflation have become the new Messiah of the economists.

    Everybody is waiting for Godo, but he is not coming. Why? Because the consumption itself is becoming virtual, free of charge. Money loses its relevance.

    Time to reevaluating the economic realities.

  17. EugenR Says:

    China will thrive, because the Chinese people see themselves as part of a big entity with brighter future and cultural coherence, heading towards major goal, they can identify with. Then I have to say a very unpopular opinion, their political system seems to be much more efficient and effective than the US or European system.

    Their politics doesn’t have to be influenced by some temporary mood of the masses. It has the capacity to sign long term goals and work consistently to achieve it. Lately they adopted policy of environmental clearance, policy the US is not capable to adopt. Soon we will see the results. I will try a prediction, they will soon take leading position in this issue, and become the Mecca of the world, while leaving US behind.

    As to the Arab Muslim world, they definitely have to charge metaphysics, but then they will not be anymore Arabs-Muslims, but people like me and you. Will they do it? I have my doubts. In their desperation the Arab youth is turning more and more to their ancient beliefs. Beliefs that will doom them.

    The question is how the neighbouring Europe will cope with it? Are we going to see rise of destructive forces implementing cultural segregation, or will the existing liberal-humanistic Europe adopt a more moderate form, and Europe will start to protect its post WWII cultural political heritage?

    Germany is the crucial link in this chain. It has the capacity to change the events, while still remembering and learning from their past. Merkel has the brains to understand it, the question is what kind of moral understandings she brought from her post Nazi, post communistic past. She have seen the absolute evil, a political system can cause, will she have the commitment to oppose it, when it comes in unexpected religious form? To be or not to be, das is the question.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      My own beliefs:
      1) Germany has followed France, since sometimes during WWII. France is the important country. The intellectually leading country. But France is lost and confused. Thus so is Germany.
      2) China is an accident waiting to happen, thanks to Xi. This site is censored in China. So I can say what a bad dictator Xi is.
      3) I agree there is a long term Chinese strategy. That’s what Xi is messing up with, trying to build a tall, beautiful wall in the middle of the South China sea.
      4) Can’t be “humanistic” with Islam. You have to be stronger (as Israel understood, finally).

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