Posts Tagged ‘Mithra’

Gods, Imagination, Machinations

May 26, 2013

Why did they create God? Answer: to feed the imagination. Discuss.

God socialist with initials A.H.: And to build society.

Patrice: True, society needs a common mind, common logic, hence common gods, or, more generally, common myths, powerful enough. Nietzsche added: one interpretation of the gods for the commons, another for the lords.

Catholic fanatic Evelyne L.F.: God is not created, HE is…

A.H. objected; First of all, what makes God a “He”? Why the masculine fixation on God?

Evelyne L F: Exact, maybe it’s “She”. Jesus is the Son of God, but God can be “SHE”.

Patrice: Or maybe it’s a bird. More exactly, a hummingbird. As with the Aztecs:

I Fly, Fear Me

I Fly, Fear Me

A H: Secondly, which God are you referring to that is not created? Yahweh, Allah, Jesus, Shiva, Zeus, Mithra, Brahma? Evelyne Le Formal: GOD is GOD !! One of first threes for what I believe !!

Patrice: To each tribe its own god(s). The French, like Rome, shall make do with a republic, to incarnate the tribal ideal, without further ado. Amen. My preferred god is Huitzilopochtli (pictured above). He exposes best superstitious religion for the criminal absurdity that it is. Huitzilopochtli ordered the Aztecs to call themselves Mexicas. A unity trick. However his obviously bloody tendencies gave all the pretext the Conquistadores needed to annihilate most of the tremendous Mexica civilization. Huitzilopochtli turned into death of his world.

Alexi Helligar There have been many many gods that have been created by humans. Why evidence outside of the Bible (which is a collection of stories and not evidence) is there that Jesus is any less an expression of human imagination than any of the rest?

A is A. This is true. It is symmetrical and symmetry is what I believe!!

Patrice: The sacred writings of Judeo-Christo-Islamism make clear that they are all referring to the exact same “God”. Using the word “Allah” is craftily alienating, as if “Allah” were different from Jesus’s dad. When the French talk about the god of the Americans, in French, they call it “dieu” in French, not “god”, or “dios”.

Alexi Helligar The belief in God is an empty vessel. Because it is empty people fill it with whatever they imagine. This, I think, is the core of Patrice’s comment. Of necessity, despite its critical importance in building society, imagination is a random and chancy process. This is why the belief in God leads to so many random and chancy actions, many of which are not rational and, in fact, very destructive. The mere belief in God (because God is essentially Imaginary) is not enough to filter sense from nonsense.

Evelyne Le Formal: Jesus is not an expression of human imagination, it’s historic !! He was an human boy ! But, you can doubt, if you don’t believe, than he is the son of God !!

Son Of God: Cute Yet Fake

Son Of God: Cute Yet Fake

Alexi Helligar: History is also imaginary.

Evelyne Le Formal: Cesar, Neron, Ponce Pilate imagination ? No, history !!

Patrice: We have extremely detailed records, from various sources, on the first two gentlemen. They are among the better known human beings, to this day. Incontrovertible proof of the existence of Pontius Pilatus was also found, such as an engraved inscription bearing his name in stone. Proofs of Jesus’ existence have been presented. They were all proven to be fake. A famous fake was the textile from Turin. Both the historical record and Carbon 14 date tightly concur about the date of fabrication of that shroud (part of it pictured above), in the 13C.

Imagination has to be fed, to provide the mind’s logic with what is called a universe. In particular, the mind can be fed the concept of omnipotence, most convenient to dictators. Monotheistic God, having no other gods around to hinder him, is omnipotent, by definition.

Christ is NOT, not at all, an historical figure, just a creature of the imagination, found in Saint Paul’s own mind, as he readily admits. Saul was a practicing Jew born a Roman citizen, from a born Roman citizen father, and a feared Roman prosecutor.

Saul wrote the following in 66 CE. “Now as he was going along and approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, ‘Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?’ He asked, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ The reply came, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But get up and enter the city, and you will be told what to do'” (Acts 9:3-6). Somehow, that led Saul to change his name into Paul.

Evangels were written later (starting in 70 CE). Half of the New Testament stems from Paul and the people whom he influenced. Thirteen of the 27 books in the New Testament have been attributed to Paul. Half of the Acts of the Apostles deals with Paul’s life and works. Tellingly, some of Paul’s students claimed to have met Jesus in person (something Saul/Paul did not dare do).

The record of the arrest, trial and execution of several messiahs at the time of mythical Jesus is well recorded. None of them Jesus. One of these messiahs was condemned, and burned, in Rome. Another, the vicious Simon, was whipped to death in Rome. In all cases, thousands of the best and brightest were watching.

Jewish general Josephus, in his enormous work on the “Jewish war”, covers extensively the religious madness in Israel at the time, and its fanatical madmen. He never mentions Jesus. (The fact that Josephus mentions Jesus, in another work, 20 years later, seems to me a forgery: at some point the growing Christian community realized that they better make Josephus bear witness; the earlier work could not be that easily modified.)

Reading the Bible carefully, one can see that Jesus, would have been born towards Spring, four years or so before what became the official date. The story of Jesus is even more a product of the imagination than viewing Jehanne d’Arc as a good fanatic.

Conclusion: Christ, as a boy abandoned by his dad, is a myth. There is ZERO historical evidence of Jesus’ existence.

There is much more evidence for the existence of the much older Zarathoustra (a real, alive Babylonian philosopher/prophet). Or Buddha (an Indian prince). And Muhammad is, of course, a real historical figure. There is even direct evidence for king David and his son Salomon. Although they are 12 centuries older than the mythical Christ.

Yet, it’s easy to reconstruct what happened: the growth of myth from Saul’s inspiring vision to getting to view, quickly, the vision as fact. In the midst of a war-butchery, the Jewish war of 70 CE, that killed a million (that would have been roughly the proportional equivalent of ten million today), that’s not very surprising.

Religion was a huge business in imperial Rome. All religions were welcome in Rome, as long as they did not disrupt public peace, and did not call for human sacrifices. One could not make one’s religion popular without a great myth attached.

As it was, Christianism was able to grow quietly. Christianism was increasingly made similar to, not to say plagiarized from, the much older religion of Mithra, which was popular in the army. Christians made much of persecutions later (to justify their execution of millions). However, persecution, if any, was light. During Marcus Aurelius’ twenty year reign in the late Second Century, only six “Christians” were executed in Rome.

Around that time (180 CE), we know of the case of several high Roman politicians who announced that, during their retirement, they would write an Evangel.

At the beginning of the Fourth Century, emperor Galerius persuaded his three imperial colleagues to engage in forcing the Christians to pledge obedience to the empire. About 3,000 were executed, total, before Galerius, ravaged by cancer, rescinded the edict.

By then, though, Christianism was a state within the Roman state. Constantine decided to co-opt it, as part of his further fascization of Rome (311 CE). He even chose what the exact doctrine of Christianity: “Catholic Orthodoxy” ( that is “universal common opinion”).

The divisions of the empire that the church had used for its own governance (diocese) were even adopted as the new divisions of the empire. By 400 CE, the “founding father of the church” discovered, among other things, that it would be best to make Jesus’ birth coincidental to the enormous celebrations of the winter solstice known as the “Saturnials”, and to adopt all the traditions attached to it, from gift giving to cutting an evergreen and decorating it (a tradition documented in Greece, among other places, a full millennium earlier).

And then next came a real life philosopher-king, Clovis. Clovis threw the Goths out of Gallia, and built much of what became the Imperium Francorum spanning the core of Western Europe.

More importantly, Clovis renovated Western civilization with a Franco-German, Greco-Roman, Humano-Christian mix. Clovis recreated Christianism in a way compatible with the vision of the Franks (who had helped Constantine conquer the empire, but had stayed extremely hostile to religious fanaticism, attempting a whole succession of coups and civil wars, until Clovis was able to become the new Constantine, as far as north-west Mid-Terra was concerned.

A crucial part of the new mythology was made of continual references to contemporaneous (or quasi-contemporaneous) saints.

And what of nowadays? Recent generations have been imprinted to feel that greed and fame were all the mythology they needed. No wonder revolution, the economy, and minds themselves are running out of steam. Exactly as intended.

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Patrice Ayme

How And Why Christmas Was Fabricated

December 25, 2009

 

FORGET THE CRUCIFIED, ON DECEMBER 25, SOL INVICTUS IS BACK!

In republican Rome, the Winter Solstice period was the occasion to celebrate Saturn. These two week long Saturnalia vacations became so extravagant, Princeps Augustus tried to limit their extent by law. Rather in vain. In the following centuries, Saturn saw Himself pushed around by "Sol Invictus". It was natural enough to view December 25, the day days started to get longer, the celebration of the invincible sun. December 25 was also the most important celebration of Mithra, the Zoroastrian born God of the sun and contracts, of the Ahuric trinity, most popular in the Roman army, who Jesus the Crucified parrots faithfully (most of the story of Jesus is word for word the story of Mithra. The Winter Solstice celebrations were enormous under non Christian Rome.

So a Christian bishop in 353 CE, under the fanatically Christian emperor Constantius II, decided that The Crucified was born December 25, too. The Evangels said that the sexually mutilated Jesus ("circumcised") was born in Summer. The bishop also decided he was born on year zero.

By 300 CE a lot of what would later characterize Christianity (semi divinization of the living emperor, heavy symbolism) was in place. The quasi military imperial system of the Christian churches was also in place.

The Christian churches had constituted a state within the State. Apparently, one emperor was a secret Christian during the unhappy part of Roman history known as "the barrack emperors". Shortly afterwards, after outlawing and destroying the religion known as Manichaeism, the one and only severe persecution of Christians occurred. Maybe 3,000 died, all together; the Christians still whine about it, thus having something else to whine about rather than the millions of Christians, and others, that Christianism in its majesty would later destroy.

Diocletian-Galerius’ persecution of Christians had been sparked by blatant Christian civil disobedience, and what "Dominus" (lord) emperor Diocletian, and his colleague Galerius viewed as "arrogance" from top Christians. Dying in horrible suffering, Galerius reverted himself.

The next absolute Roman emperor, Constantine, observing how nicely the intrinsic fascism of the Christian church fit with his personal frantic fascism and familial extermination, made Christianity as de facto state religion.

Old divinities and celebrations were then systematically integrated into Christianism, anything else being forbidden under penalty of death, except for the Jews, who never got quite exterminated to the last (due to Christ being a Jew). Under the very "Catholic Orthodox" Christian emperor Justinian alone (in the sixth century), millions died, in Anatolia alone, from religious persecutions, of Christians by Christians. this is how Islam was born: out of the ashes of rabid Christianity

A nice approach to Jesus, and other illuminati, is to filter out all their bad stuff.

Never mind that many statements of Jesus are of the type: Matthews 24:39 "And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." For those not in the know, the "Son of man" is Jesus. So, when he comes back, Jesus drowns everybody.

Jesus was devious. Here are two extracts of Mark:

4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

In plain English: Jesus explains that he speaks in parables to confuse people so that they will go to hell. The same exact observation is parroted by Allah in the Qur’an.

Indeed, it’s too bad that the Crucified is not as nice as his legend has it. Reading carefully the Evangels reveals horrors. A lot of the bad stuff that happened next with Christianity and Islam can, in my opinion, be attributed directly to evil statements attributed to Jesus. Now, just as for Muhammad, one can always just have faith that his worst statements he never made… But the fact remains that the worse of the worst was integrated inside both heresies of Judaism, inside the sacred texts. Bible, Evangels and Qur’an teem with hyper violence of the worst type.

The danger of the filtering approach, of refusing to look at abominable orders, and looking only at the sunny side, the peaceful and divine side, is that one ends up doing exactly what the Germans who followed Hitler did. Hitler too, talked of peace all the time, and had "God With US!" as motto ("Gott Mit Uns!). Learning to tolerate the evocation of the abominable leads to holocausts.

And what of Christmas trees? Well, the Germans and Celts (they were roughly the same thing) venerated the trees. They had one for each month. Naturally the one for the Winter Solstice was associated to eternal life, an evergreen coniferous tree. By 1500s the old custom was reintroduced in Latvia, and spread, though Prussia, to Alsace…

So let’s enjoy the return of the sun, and forget about Constantine’s fascist dream…

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Patrice Ayme

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Annex: The Mithra religion reigned for more than 1,000 years over the Middle East before the alleged Jesus the Crucified showed up in Saint Paul’s head, and he wrote about it. Let’s have some fun:

Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds and magi.
Was considered a great traveling teacher and master
Had 12 companions or disciples
Promised his followers immortality
Performed miracles
Sacrificed himself for peace
Was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again
Was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection
(later to become Easter)
Was called "the Good Shepherd"
Was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
Was considered to be the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."
Celebrated Sunday as His sacred day (also known as the "Lord’s Day,")
Celebrated a Eucharist or "Lord’s Supper"

In the catacombs at Rome was preserved a relic of the old Mithraic worship. It was a picture of the infant Mithra seated in the lap of his virgin mother, while on their knees before him were Persian Magi adoring him and offering gifts.


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