WWII Details Worth Examining


[And It is Not An Accident That They Are Carefully Unexamined!]


Abstract: World War Two, Nazism, everything, and everybody connected to them make for an unending source of lessons in many realms. Some of these truths are eternal, they were taught by history many times before. Nazism was made possible by not knowing, or deliberately ignoring, or, even, cynically exploiting, many of these lessons, with evil purpose.

Certainly Julius Caesar, happening on the scene in 1936, would have known what to do. He had seen even worse before. But Caesar was at the head of the Populares. He was both a plutocrat, if there ever was one, and somebody who wanted to rise above that condition, for the good of the People, not to say civilization (that’s why he was assassinated by plutocratic senators).

Why were the lessons of history forgotten, and new ones not guessed in time, to prevent World War Two? Well, the reason to forget is still in force nowadays.

The establishment breathes, sleeps, dines, or exchanges business, so close together, that it feels that it is better not to examine all the forces behind Hitler, lest they still feed it today.

To avoid talking about that reason, all those connected to the establishment go around, as if they were deaf, blind, mute, mental retards whining that the catastrophes (“Shoah” in Hebrew) of fascism, holocausts, Nazism, World War Two were incomprehensible.

Those connected to the establishment are (implicitly) paid, by their association with the powers which overlord, to claim that WWII viciousness cannot be understood.

But could it be as simple as… the fractional reserve system? OK, that’s not simple, and very obscure to the commons.

What is the establishment made of? Not just people, but of a whole mental universe. First of all the establishment of ideas and moods that allows the reign of the principle of plutocracy.

Certainly in a political system where public money creation, that is power, is privately controlled, while harnessing the power of the state, (that is what the fractional reserve system we have does), is a plutocracy, in the strictest, most classical sense of the term.

The secret never to be thoroughly examined in WWII is that the most prominent elements of the plutocracy were genitors and allies of the fascist powers (although both sides, plutocrats and fascists, claimed to be enemies, to hide their true nature from the mystified populace). For doing this, they exploited some tricks, and those tricks are still in use nowadays.

As long as that dirty secret stays buried, so does the true nature of plutocracy and how it relates to the present civilization: it’s not just about the rule of money, and money being the only power. Plutocracy is also about believing that hell is the only heaven worth having

I present here just a few of WWII unexpected avalanches of causes and connections. [This post is partly an answer to one of the commenters who contributes to this site, Old Geezer Pilot, and it does not have the pretention of being more than a jumble of little known facts.]




Wall Street glued six major German chemical companies to make IG Farben, a giant monopoly. Great profit would come from going around American anti-monopoly laws passed by Teddy Roosevelt. In general, most of the individuals and firms which became prominent in Germany after World War One were entangled with industrialists and financiers of the USA.

This was just an instance of the sort of interference in the German socio-economy that arose from the other side of the Atlantic. There many others.

For example Dr. Schacht (PhD, 1899) was a pawn of Mr. JP Morgan (founder of the bank JP Morgan, and so mighty he personally put an end to a Wall Street crash in 1907). Schacht became Germany’s most important finance official after WWI (although he had been sacked for corruption by his commanding general during the occupation of Belgium). Schacht engineered the German hyper inflation of 1923, as part of a devious campaign to not compensate for the enormous deliberate damage inflicted on France, from the flooding of mines to the dynamiting of the Coucy castle, the largest Middle Age castle, with the highest dungeon ( French volunteers are still rebuilding it, albeit they barely started to make a dent on that field of stones).

The First World War happened on French soil, invaded by the fascist Prussian army, and the destruction occurred there, but Germany somehow contrived to pose as a victim of big bad France, and the concept of repairing what it had broken. This (absurd)  lesson is taken for granted by many an Anglo-Saxon pseudo intellectual, and is an essential part of the anti-French sentiment in the USA. Even Hitler was not that anti-French.

Dr. H. Schacht later engineered, in the 1930s, the coming to power of Adolf Hitler.

Some, who don’t follow the news, will feel I am rehashing history long gone, and not worth studying.

However, in 2012, German opinion makers systematically warned against providing enough money for the European economy, by brandishing the threat of the hyperinflation that Germany experienced in the 1920s, and conflating it with the Great Depression of the 1930s. As Paul Krugman rightfully pointed out, that was mixing two completely different phenomena from two completely different decades.

The only thing in common between the 1920s, the 1930s and the 2010s has been a common lamentable success by the most influential German opinion makers to persuade the German people that black is white, cold is hot, and criminal insanity is the highest expression of wisdom.



The First World War was a conspiracy from four German generals, dragging two admirals, the Kaiser (depending upon his highly variable mood), and the acolyte of USA president Wilson, House. Although traitors to civilization such as Bertrand Russell wanted Germany to win (something about the Anglo-Saxon race, same as Col. House), the British recovered their inner French, and allowed France to win.

At the battle of the Marne of early September 1914, multiple counterattacks by French army corps between or around German army corps, nearly cut-off the main German armies.

The BEF, British Expeditionary Force, ten divisions, was helpful to the more than 100 French divisions engaged (although the BEF had to whipped into shape, as it had started to flee way south of Paris). However, the BEF was not decisive. The Germans retreated desperately, and the front lines stayed blocked for four years afterwards, until the Second Battle of the Marne (when Germany tried all out, punched in a vacuum, as French intelligence had anticipated the blow, followed by a French artillery propped counterattack, which led Germany’s commander to inform the Kaiser that Germany had lost the war).

Hitler was in the midst of it all. His company got killed by the French. Ultimately he was gazed, by the French and suffered a nervous breakdown. Gas had been a German idea, but the French and British caught up on it. Thus Hitler’s hatred of France. After World War One, Germany was smarting from its defeat at the hands of the French Republic, half in size in population (when not counting the French empire).

Once, after the German defeat, a British general was having tea with the top German general, and the German complained they should not have lost the war, but for little problems like the insurrection in Germany, and the fact the treacherous French army had cut-off the food supply of Germany in the south. Amused, the British general struck an ironical tone:“In other words, you would not have lost the war, if you had not been stabbed in the back!”

Ludendorff ran away with the notion. He was one of the founders of the Nazi party (at the time when the Bavarian police was paying Hitler to… spy on the Nazi party!) Another thing the Nazis ran away with was Keynes’ outrageous paper, “The Economic Consequences Of Peace”, where Keynes argued that having liberated Eastern Europe from the German boot was a horrible thing, tied in with the deeply manipulative and nefarious French mentality, which put liberty above profit.

That Keynes is still admired by pseudo Jewish pseudo liberals such as Paul Krugman means that, even among the brightest, some are finding history too hard and complicated for their taste. (Not that I disagree with Keynes in all ways, far from it; but I find his influence on human events nefarious enough to avoid naming anything positive in his glory.)

In any case, the end result was that German fascism had been defeated, but not crushed. Clemenceau (much reviled by Keynes) declared in 1919:“Mark my words. Within twenty years, the Boches will attack us again.” Clemenceau was entirely right (but for the fact that it was the French republic which attacked that time; “Boches” is a derogative for Germans).

A consequence is that German fascists were obsessed by defeating France. Hitler starts “Mein Kampf” ranting against the French, the real enemy. Then, and only then, pages later, he criticizes the Jews. Observing a man dressed all in black, like a crow, Hitler observes:“I asked myself, is that a Jew? Then I realized that this was the wrong question. The right question was: ‘Is this a German?'”

[I am quoting from memory. Nobody can accuse me not to know the classics!]



France was the greatest military power after November 11, 1918. The French Republic to impose her views fully about what to do next. France insured the freedom of Eastern Europe, liberating several nations, but she was unable to insure her own safety in the West, as the USA opposed this in all sorts of ways (even promising to implement the French idea of the SDN, the Societe des Nations, and then sabotaging it later).

The natural frontier of France is exactly what it was under the Roman empire: the Rhine. The other natural limes was the Danube; in between there was a gap; that gap caused plenty of problem to the Roman army, an hemorrhage that lasted four centuries.

Another natural solution was to conquer “All Men” (Allemagne). That is exactly what the Franks under Clovis embarked on after defeating the Goths.

After Germany’s naked aggression in 1914, which killed more than ten million in Europe alone, the positioning of the French army on the Rhine would have been only natural. (After 1947, France would make to Germany an offer it could not resist: unify and salute; the euro is a means to further the unification).     

However, as far as the USA plutocracy was concerned, France and its enormous empire were juicy targets, as they had been in 1914 (when an alliance was proposed by “Colonel” Wilson, special envoy of USA president Wilson, to the Kaiser). And so were all European empires.

Fascist European regimes supported by American plutocrats were going to be the way the European democracies would be destroyed, and USA rule, after 1945, implemented. OK, there may not have been a central gnome committee underground, the way Obama has a death panel. But I do believe that equivalent ideas were broached in parties. After all, that’s what Manhattan is for. (What else?)

German fascists were fully cooperative, with the machinations of USA based plutocrats, because they did not take the USA seriously. After all, when Jews such as the Warburgs cooperated with Hitler, it could only be viewed as hilarious (certainly Texaco and its oil amused Hitler a lot).

France had limited the German army to 100,000 with the Versailles Treaty, and severely limited the size and nature of heavy German weapons, from tanks to submarines, to battleships. So the (fascist) Germans, to turn around the restrictions of the Treaty, secretly collaborated with a number of countries to develop such weapons. Sweden, Portugal, the USSR, Great Britain, and of course the USA, would be major collaborators in this effort.

The French government, in the late 1920s, warned the German Weimar government that, should this stealth rearmament go on, France would intervene severely.    

Amazingly, Churchill warned France that he would unleash the Royal Air Force on France, if France attacked Germany. That was in 1929. It was also a total violation of one century of entente cordiale, implicit or explicit.

This, meticulously ignored fact, puts a lot of matters in a different light:

1) Churchill was not what he built himself up to be, later. It’s not that Churchill was anti-French the way many USA citizens are nowadays. Far from it. Churchill was a francophile, and spoke excellent French, to the point he used it later during governmental functions. But Churchill also admired, and misunderstood, racial German fascism… Until 1939-1940 (a time when he gave bad advice about the Royal Air Force, which PM Chamberlain did not follow, thankfully). Churchill was also half American and had USA envy, and thus did not understand what American plutocracy was up to (he thought he belonged to that pantheon, and it was OK… Until the war told him it was not OK).

2) France failure to attack Nazi Germany before September 1, 1939 came precisely from the fact its main democratic allies, Great Britain and the USA, were deeply pro-fascism (and mainly pro-German fascism). Being anti-French was a convenient excuse, a seduction of greed (there were all these empires to grab). After January 1933, that pro racial fascism mood turned to a strong pro-Nazi sentiment in the UK and the USA. 

The UK was actively pro-Nazi until 1936. Great Britain allied itself with France firmly only in 1939, when the Spanish republic fell to Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. The USA was mostly pro-Nazi and anti French until 1940.

Although the French Republic got help through the USA “cash and carry” in 1940, pro-Nazi policies in the USA were still active until August 1942, when Prescott Bush was told to stop managing Hitler’s greatest military corporation; IBM’s Watson, among other USA plutocrats, did not stop, though, to help the Nazis, even then! The attitude of the USA varied according to the different actors, considerably. For example, subordinates of Eisenhower told him that the French armored thrust towards Paris was a “difficult task” and that he should help it, even if the French infuriated him (Ike consented to join the Fourth Infantry division).

Throughout the 1920s and 1930s, German generals and their tanks were training… in the Soviet Union. This explains why German generals were so confident, in 1941, that they would crush the USSR. (They were clearly six weeks short, at least to conquer Moscow, and that would have cut-off Leningrad too.)

In 1935, a complex treaty was signed between the United Kingdom and Hitler. The Third Reich could violate the Versailles treaty, the Brits agreed, and build much more capital ships than allowed under it. In counterpart, a complex trading system was implemented between the British empire and the Reich.

France was aghast. The German ambassador confided to his American colleague Dodd that he feared assassination. Both used to take strolls together in the Tiergarten (zoo), to avoid the omnipresent microphones and spies…inside their embassies (or even inside Dodd’s family!). Finally Roosevelt had the Nazi skeptic Dodd, a University of Chicago historian, replaced by a man friendlier to Nazis and American plutocrats. 



Because it was his plan all along (as Old Geezer Pilot pointed out in the comments). Hitler had been conditioned by old Germanic lore, and at best, wanted to make slaves from the Slavs.

In the Middle Ages the Teutonic Knights judiciously found out that the Middle East was too hot for comfort, and that it would be smarter to pursue the work of extending the (Roman!) empire through Pagan lands, as Karl Der Grosse (Carlus magnus, Charlemagne) had done, a work actually started by the Franks a full millennium earlier.

Clovis’ dad, Childeric, was a Roman imperator, another little known fact: he was found buried in imperial purple in the 17C; unfortunately a fire in the Louvre museum around 1830  destroyed the Childeric’s ensigns of power; like Caesar, the Franks thought that the way to protect Gallia was by conquering all of Germania.

The Teutonic knights conquered East Prussia before being defeated, centuries later, by a Lithuanian-Polish coalition. Hence the old Prussian hatred against Poland.  

In 1914, the entire German army had been thrown through Belgium, against France. Eight divisions were supposed to hold Eastern Prussia. After a few weeks, a few reinforcements had to be sent. Ultimately, by 1917, the Germans had Russia on its knees, and the Soviets made an humiliating peace treaty which conceded a huge amount of land to Germany. One can, in a way, argue that Lenin was a German imperial agent! (He had been, with all his entourage, transported from Switzerland to Russia, through Germany, during the war.)

In the minds of all too many Germans, and cockroaches such as Hitler, the Russians were easy to defeat, that had been thoroughly established in WWI, and German generals coming back from the USSR confirmed its primitivism.

On the other hand, Hitler and all the Nazis expected defeat at the hands of France, Britain, and the USA, should those democracies unite again. That is why they were much encouraged by the hostility of the British and USA government against the French republic. Even then, the Nazis thought of attacking France no earlier than 1944. That’s how long the Nazis thought they needed to be ready.

Instead France attacked in 1939, and was defeated, momentarily, in 1940. Hitler found himself at war when he was not ready at all, and it quickly showed.

The defeat of France in May-June 1940 caused heavy Nazi losses, and the strategic disaster that Britain joined France in total war. In June 1940, a drafted French army sacrificing itself, allowed the British professional army to evacuate at Dunkirk (more than 300,000 soldiers escaped the encirclement).

Hitler, and Mussolini, depended upon the American plutocrats for oil, and that was as reassuring as being fed by sharks, I must admit. Hitler attacked Poland mostly for the oil (although he was screaming about Dantzig). Unfortunately the pernicious Stalin moved into Poland too, claiming he was helping his buddy Adolf… And grabbed the oil, first.

So what next? Hitler had persuaded the German generals he could be trusted, because Germany would never engage deliberately in a two front war, again. That is what Germany had done in 1914. So Hitler told his generals he would not attack the despised democracies. The Treaty of 1935 with Great Britain gave him a green light to attack to the east, he thought, and the wealthy Von Ribbentrop, with his large expensive apartment in London, assured him that British plutocrats were with him, and against the French Republic. 

Still the top German generals could see Hitler was nuts. In spite of their training as obedient dogs, they conspired to get rid of Hitler. They contacted the British government to ask it to say that, should Hitler pursue his aggressive antics, Britain would join France and declare war. Instead, traitors in the British government informed Hitler that his generals were plotting against him.

In 1939, France cut the Gordian knot, and declared war, and Hitlerland found itself in a war against Britain and France. In 1940, the German Air Force suffered enormous losses during the battles of France and Britain (thousands of planes and pilots). Earlier, the German fleet had been devastated during the Norwegian campaign against Norway, France and Britain (destroyed German capital ships can still be admired in fjords).

So Hitler told his generals that they had no choice. Britain, at this point, could not be defeated. They had to destroy the USSR first, precisely to avoid a two front war.

That was without counting on “Bomber Harris“, and the long range heavy bomber fleet that Britain had been using for more than six months already. Bomber Harris would quickly open a second front.

Hitler would end up, or rather, down, with three million men (only) fighting in Russia, while a full million manned the 88mm guns inside Germany to shoot at British bombers. Also an enormous part of the Luftwaffe was assigned to air defense over Germany. Part of the result was that, by November 1940, the Brits conducted raids on Berlin (following the earlier French example). By December 1941, Hitler would lose air supremacy in the Battle Of Moscow. It was so cold, only Russian planes were flying, and shooting at half frozen German troops in their summer attire.



Because, by June 23, 1941, fascism had plenty of enemies, and weakened by wounds.

Mussolini attacked Albania, and then Greece. Greece counterattacked magnificently, and was pushing the fascists back into the sea, through Albania. Mussolini high pitch screams to high heavens, like the sexist little girl he was, enticed the Nazis to intervene. They threatened Yugoslavia which was in the way (Yugoslavia was another product from the French liberation of the German slaves known as Slavs, another country that, according to Keynes, the French had created in their malevolence). Encouraged by the allies, the Slavs said no, and the Nazis invaded Yugoslavia, which would keep them busy with guerilla until 1945. So did Greece, their next target. Finally the Nazis got most of their paratroops to win, and die, in Crete.

The Nazis were idiots who did not know history. If they had, they would have heard of king Pyrrhus, who after winning yet another victory against the Roman army, concluded that “one more victory like that, and we will be completely defeated“.

The Nazi invasion of Russia happened six weeks late, and with smaller forces than anticipated (because of the enormous casualties in France, up to 200,000 there, added to what was lost in the Yugoslav-Greek-Crete campaign… plus all those shootings in the German sky against British Lancasters).

The gods of war, which had been so much on the Nazi side in the battle of France, were now against it. First, as general Guderian noticed, the Soviets had been learning the Nazi tactics of circling around. So the Nazi losses were heavy.

Record rains in October-November stopped the panzers, in the mud, which froze a few weeks after, in the coldest cold since Napoleon came that way. The panzer generals could see the gold bulbs of the Kremlin. Moscow had been evacuated, and its defense were tenuous. But Stalin had not fled, and the blocking sections of the NKVD, very active.

Yet Japan, ally to the Third Reich, decided to attack the USA, and target Indonesian oil, instead of attacking north, the USSR. Stalin immediately sent his 270,000 Siberian troop army to Moscow. It was expert at the coldest of cold. It counterattacked on skis among frozen Germans, by late December 1941.



Why did Germany attack again, twenty years after the entire world allied itself with France, and it had been completely vanquished? Mental inertia had a lot to do with it, plus lack of imagination. Why did it elect Hitler? Well, Hitler squeaked in electorally, he barely made it. But important people such as Schacht were pulling the strings, and the likes of countless racist plutocrats such as Henry Ford doing what it took (Ford had Hitler on payroll, just as the Bavarian police did).

As I said above, there were important manipulations of the public mind by the wealthiest. Moreover a vicious cultural mood had been created in Germany for generations. Nietzsche shouted about it ferociously, book after book. A mood of Deutschland Uber Alles rotted Germany. A mood that involved hubris. Hubris, called hybris by the Greeks, was the most reviled of moods. Moods have lots of inertia inside individuals and (thus) cultures. All the more since vicious moods are generally supported by thick mats of lies.

The hubristic mood of German superiority got wounded in 1914-1918. That angry bear bred with the racist attitude towards the Jews which Nietzsche had excoriated when it dawned. Germanoid madness received a severe blow in 1945. But only the full truth will vaporize it fully. As some declarations during the recent banking crisis showed, some of the infuriating Germanoid moods are still, unbelievably, alive.

The German Vice Chancellor, Roesler, racially a Vietnamese, declared many times in 2012 that Greece ought to be kicked out of the euro. On the face of it, it’s outrageous: a primate from another country, especially if endowed with a big title, does not have any right to declare that another independent country ought to be expelled from its own currency. Roesler wants to show to all that he is really a good German, the old fashion way, spiting Greece and the gifts it brought.

So it is often with politicians who do not truly belong: they want to show they are true patriots, and overdo it. The disaster known as Sarkozy is an example. The Corsican bandit Napoleon another. Even Louis XIV fits the bill (because of the Fronde). Hitler, an Austrian (and a… Jew, according to some other top Nazis). No, I will not say that a half Kenyan could not prosecute a white bankster, lest he not be admired as a true patriot…

The truth is that the average Greek nowadays has about as much to do with the European banking crisis than the average European Jew had to do with the Great Depression.

The rise of Nazism was endowed with a succession of satanic miracles. Many of them were engineered by worldwide plutocrats, others were pure accidents, especially since Nazi behavior was outside of the expected norms (something Hitler played as a violin). But the moods that enabled it were no accident.

The Greater Depression the world is presently facing is, deep down, a worse situation that the 1930s. In the 1930s, great powers were playing an imperial game. The USA, in particular, felt it ought to be the leader, and had the power to impose that. So it did, by letting its plutocrats run wild, and make their own international politics, supported by the Congress. Surely, if the USA had joined France and Great Britain in 1939, there would have been no Auschwitz. If nothing else, German generals would have implemented a coup, or even a strike against the Nazis. Instead the Ethyl Corporation of America sent lead tetraethyl in enough quantity (hundreds of tons) to keep Hitler’s Air Force flying, while France and Poland had more than 100 divisions engaged in combat. That was extremely high treason, not just of democracy, but civilization itself.

The Poles fought desperately, because they wanted to live. The Nazis wanted to kill them all, it was not just about killing the Jews. Not yet.  

There will be no justice about what happened with Nazism, as long as a full light is not brought to bear on these events, plus the cover-up ever since about who and what supported Nazism, and the impact they both had on the continuation of the plutocratic mood, we and the biosphere, are enjoying today.

The situation is worse nowadays, greatly because those nefarious mysteries of the past were not explored, but allowed to fester. A mood of unexamined civilization was allowed to thrive. If too many feel that it may not be worth living, much may happen all too soon.


Patrice Ayme

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21 Responses to “WWII Details Worth Examining”

  1. pieceofcake Says:

    Man!! – I had to go through a lot of ‘Geschichtsunterricht’ in school and the German one is not a pleasant one -(as everybody knows) – So why is it your ‘hobby’? – I never learned more from the ‘Nazi times’ than trying to be a ‘decent’ person – or that it was some kind of primitive, brutal, criminal, and unbelievable evil… – and now I don’t add ‘conspiracy’ – because it was done with the support of so many people.

    And sometimes I wonder about my homelands ‘fascination’ with everything related ‘Hitler’ – but on the other hand he was ‘the superstar of evil’ – right? While I always thought he was just this real stupid and primitive idiot who by a lot of ‘accidents’ and the support of a lot of other stupid and evil idiots got to where he found his well deserved end!
    And all these details – ‘why he attacked when’? – is like for me – discussing the ‘mood’ of a rabid dog!


    • Paul Handover Says:

      POC, thanks for that. I read this post a few hours ago and while marvelling at the depth of historical knowledge on show, I was left feeling that I had missed the point! You have articulated what I was unable previously to say.

      Patrice opened the essay up with ‘MUCH OF UNEXAMINED WWII IS RELEVANT TODAY’ but how and why it is relevant today escaped me.

      Is PA saying that WWIII is the inevitable consequence of the ills of today’s societies? Is he saying that the economic and global climate issues are part of a ‘grand plan’?

      I wait with interest on further comments!


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Pieceofcake: Extremely rushed right now. Hitler was not alone in this, nor were the Nazis, as you say. There were reasons, Hitler was no rabid dog. He never expected the French Republic to stand in its way. He thought he had five more years. When he went back to his generals, he had reason, as I said, that the generals had to swallow.
      It was all crazy, right, but it was also rational. Just like the Bundesbank and company have plenty of (valid) reasons now, with 70% of Germans goosestepping behind, and… the whole context does not work… As it did not work with Hitler.
      More later, I have to seriously run, take care of my coughing baby…


  2. pshakkottai Says:

    dear pieceofcake
    Re: ” discussing the ‘mood’ of a rabid dog!” The connection to plutocracy is not well known and we should thank Patrice for discussing it.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Thanks Partha! Indeed “Hitler was a rabid dog” as a final explanation, is pretty much a cover-up. And the methods used then to manipulate public opinion, are fully functional today again (as shown, say by the most common discourses about the euro crisis, which accuses the… commons, in the sort of masochism fully in evidence during most fascist episodes.) Ultimately, it has to do with the corruption of official civilization by an entanglement of conspiracies, an aging of the political organism… That is why the movement against corruption in India is a very good thing… Which ought to be generalized.


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  4. pieceofcake Says:

    whatever – ‘hitler’ – ‘nazis’- gone thanks god since a long time and very little ‘goosestepping’ left in this part of Germany where the Greens run the State -and Baden-Wuerttemberg is a very wealthy State and NOBODY I know is that much into teh ‘Bundesbank’ – just a lot of pretty low keyed people you can’t blame if they are much harder on themselves -(about frugality) –
    than anybody else –
    (and see it rhymed!)


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Pieceofcake: Nobody is accusing present Baden-Württemberg to be goose stepping. And I agree with the frugality too. However:

      1) that does not prevent Hitler and company, especially company, to be used as the warning to civilization they constitute. Don’t forget Germany had the highest literacy rate, say around 1900 CE. But the essential of this mental performance was used for evil ends between 1914 and 1945 (Nietzsche wants to lodge a protest, and points out that the herd phenomenon, the Prussian goose stepping, the rabid racism and militarism, started before 1870, and that even he, Nietzsche, was initially dragged into it…) What happened to Germany could happen to the USA, or China.

      2) and the fact remains that the present euro crisis has been an accusation fest against the populations of various countries, whereas the real culprits are the financial-industrial system the global plutocrats and their obsequious servants have set-up… And that was exactly the force behind Hitler and the Nazis. After 1918, German plutocracy (greatly the author of the aggression of 1914) became a subsidiary of Americano-British plutocracy (part of it even Jewish, see the Warburg saga! Not to speak of the rothschild, and the Nazis, and fascismo themselves played with these concepts, as they ran against… the plutocracy which instigated them, a bit like Obama ran for change and against the status quo, while embracing it…).


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Pieceofcake: Another point to answer one of yours. Hitler, was no doubt, as you put it, “a rabid dog”. However he was not barking alone. The Gestapo had only 7,000 officers to hold all of 80 million Germans in 1939. Wheras the Stasi needed more than 170,000 officers to hold down 17 million East Germans. As Goebbels joked: the Third Reich was a “total democracy”.
      What was rabid was the mood in Germany at the time, not just one little Austrian who was anxious to show to the Germans that he was more German than them (although possibly of very recent part Jewish ancestry, as Hitler obviously knew!)


      • pieceofcake Says:

        there is not much to answer for me – because there is hardly anything to dispute – not even that ‘the mood was rabid in Germany at the time’. My question always is – what I should learn from that – and I already answered what I learned from the fact that a rabid dog got so powerful.
        Which connects to your point
        1. Where the only thing I disagree is your thought that it could happen to the US.
        (just not ‘organized’ well enough – in a positive way) -and about point

        2. Wherever people are afraid to lose ‘their money’ they get mighty nasty – and that has very little to do with ‘Plutocrats etc’. – it’s just the most simple and primitive reaction of simple and primitive people – perhaps not unlike the reaction of the brown, dumb and idiotic masses of Nazi Germany who elected one of theirs – The big difference – a lot happened in the last 60 years and it seems to be -(as not only Baden Wuerttemberg proves) – that the dumb and simple idiots in Europe are definitively in the minority – and we got to work with that!


        • Patrice Ayme Says:

          Dear Pieceofcake:
          Evil can be spawned by some, amplified by others. Just as in an electronic circuit. Anglo-Saxon plutocracy put the seeds of Nazism, in many ways, in an extremely fertile soil.

          Could, without American plutocratic influence whatsoever, Nazism have happened in Germany? I don’t think so. The reason is that the European Union would have been launched in 1920s and 1930s, instead of having to wait for the late 1940s. There were dedicated men of peace and Franco-German unification, on both sides of Rhine, and they dominated the national assemblies. The ideas they pushed were implemented after 1947.

          The German civil war in 1932 was alimented and financed by arm trafficking from American plutocrats (at least 10,000 opponents to the Nazis were assassinated by American made guns, typically Brownings…).

          It’s pretty obvious that American plutocrats (Ford, who hated Wall $treet, and Wall $treet, who hated Ford, IBM, Oilocrats like Standard Oil, Texaco, etc.) disliked the idea of Franco-German unification. Nazism was a way to combat this, among other things. The anti-European bias then, or today, is fairly obvious, just read the American financial-economic commentariat. Even Krugman, who claims to be pro-EU, keeps presenting dissembling posts and essays about it.

          Starting in 1934, the USA was in a sort of cold war with the French Republic. It was all about Nazism, deep down. In 1944, the USA intended to occupy France, as if the French republic which had declared war TO Hitler in 1939, was just the Third Reich! They had prepared a fake currency, fake prefects, etc.: they were better prepared than the Nazis themselves, to occupy France!

          It did not happen, because the a full reborn French army was in the way (one million men plus one million reserve, all with combat experience, not counting millions of soldiers still prisoner in Deutschland).

          So evil can be amplified. Right now the threat is not a racist ideology. Racism was handy for war, but too few people believe in it now. So what’s ideal? CO2 built-up. Of course, American plutocrats don’t wake in the middle of the night, wanting to make more CO2 tomorrow. But they feel, that, at worse, “climate change” will lead to war, and that, the USA can handle, and even thrive from. The USA and its poodle, China, produce 40% of the world CO2. Notice that the relationship USA-China is eerily similar to the relation USA-Germany in the 1920s… A difference, though, is that China has learned a lot in the last century, not to say 3,000 years… And is conscious that it could be manipulated now, as Germany was, then.


  5. pieceofcake Says:

    Dear Patrice – I just don’t know – and I have this very good jewish friend who has this theory that the story of Nazi Germany is the story of the ‘Untermenschen’ -(Nazi thugs) – against die ‘Herrenmenschen’ -(the German-Jewish Intellectuals) – and as this Jewish friend of mine is a comedian – he copied the nasty German words by purpose. And I have know idea if his ‘theory’ is right -(as much as yor theory about ‘American plutocratic influence’ – The only thing I know – that in chaotic and confusing times there are so many -(‘contradictionary) influences that what prevails often seems to happen by accident. Let’s say Hitler would have been accepted by this Jewish professor to the Viennese Art-academy – we nowadays wouldn’t have any clips on – You-tube where he orders a Pizza!


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Pieceofcake: As I reminded on “WWII Details Worth Examining”, Hitler did not start the Nazi Party. Nobel Philip Lenard and generalissimo Luddendorf, among other famous Germans were in that Party, when Hitler was just paid to spy on it, by the Bavarian police.

      The theory that the Jews were the superior race, and the antisemites the inferior ones was loudly started by Nietzsche, who added, tongue in cheek, that, because the two groups were obviously incompatible, the antisemites ought to be deported outside Germany. All of this more than 50 years before the Nazi craziness… Showing the later was a long installed cultural mood…

      It was more than a theory too: the Nazis were, fundamentally, ignorant brutes. Hitler himself, in April 1945, recognized that the Slavs had proven a superior race to the Germans. Corollary: if he had known better, earlier, he would not have attacked the superior race.


  6. pieceofcake Says:

    which reminds me – that makes conspiracis so difficult – There are soo many different groups, organisations, nations who constantly work on all kind of ‘conspiracies’ and then another ‘conspiracy’ prevails – Who could have ‘thunked’ it that ‘das Merkel’ as a funny German paper ones called ‘our Bundeskanzlerin’ could become a’ ‘Bundeskanzlerin’ or I remember the times when President Hilary was a shoe-in – and then something happened – like a Twitt insults the British Olympics and then 5000 American-Brits are tipping the scale at the next electon for Obama – and the Washiington Post writes: It was ‘the Black Vote’!


  7. Rebellis Says:

    Rebellis writes:
    not only American plutocrats and financiers, but our close cousins too, that were more anti-Bolcheviks than anti-Nazis

    “Even after Hitler’s advent, the British continued to consider France more of a threat to British security than Germany. Great Britain, too adherent to its policy of balance of power in Europe, did a dangerous miscalculation in weighing and comparing the belligerence and preponderance of Germany and France

    “Many Tories feared bolshevism, and stupid ones thought of Hitler as a sort of guarantee against future encroachments westward on the part of Russia. England and Germany should be allies against Russia, the great communist enemy”

    The city of London, with enormous investment in Germany, allowed itself to be dazzled by the spurious brilliance of Dr. Schacht.
    A great many powerful persons in Britain hated France and the French, and therefore tended to be pro-German”



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