Islam Against Civilization? Hillary “Member ISIS”? Clinton Trashes “Awful” Obama?

I have an overall conspiracy theory of the contemporary rise of Extremely Violent IsLam (EVIL): the petrol plutocrats from the US promoted it, because it was an ideology antagonistic to Europe. The petrol men from the USA wanted to push the French and the British out of the Middle East, just as if they were a bunch of Indians, and get the oil. It worked. The US petrol men breathed with (con-spirare) Ibn Saud, and soon President Roosevelt, a deep hater of French influence, gave them his complete governmental support (it made sense as FDR was a blue blood plutocrat, so he could only hate France, why loving to grab other nations’ resources).

So the mentality I foster is that this Wahhabist inspired modern terrorism has extremely deep roots found in the USA (and it’s demonstrated by the CIA’s instrumentalization of the Shia in its coup against Mossadegh). A mood can spread far. And it’s spreading. The mood that authorities in the USA have been sneakily behind the rise of Extremely Violent IsLam, is spreading. Even among Very Serious People. Consider:

Rudolf Guliani, ex-mayor of New York, just declared: “[Hillary Clinton] had her chance to (rally people against ISIS) — she helped create ISIS. Hillary Clinton could be considered a founding member of ISIS… her DNA is all over it.”

Inventor Of Zero: Uzbekistan Is nearly 3,000 Kilometers from Saudi Arabia. Attributing Algebra To Islam Is Even More Stupid Than Attributing Analytic Geometry To Christianism

Inventor Of Zero: Uzbekistan Is nearly 3,000 Kilometers from Saudi Arabia. Attributing Algebra To Islam Is Even More Stupid Than Attributing Analytic Geometry To Christianism


The point is that Rene’ Descartes was the inventor of analytic geometry. Nobody says that Christianism invented analytic geometry (all modern mathematics rest on it, including differential calculus). Actually, Descartes, a nominal Catholic, fled to the Netherlands, to be out of reach of the Roman Inquisition. Most great thinkers under Islam got into trouble with authorities, and some were killed. Overall, top thinkers fared less well under Islam than under nominal Christianism, and this is exactly why most breakthroughs thinkers of the Middle Ages were under nominal Christianism.

A reason was that the European leaders were only nominally Christian. With the exception of occasional clowns like Saint Louis, they viewed themselves as descendants of Roman emperors (legally, they were: long story, told in other essays). Thus they did not need to justify themselves with the most fanatical application of religion, they were above it.

Another reason: in 400 CE, the fathers of the “Catholic Orthodox” church decided that the Bible and Evangels should not be interpreted literally. (Although many did interpret them literally later, for selfish reasons.)

Similarly, the great distance between Khwarizmi, depicted above, and Mecca, is no coincidence. “Islam” was at its highest, intellectually speaking, the furthest it was from Literal Islam (“Salafism, Wahhabism, EVIL, etc.). Geographically, or practically (see the “House of Wisdom” in Baghdad; or the Spanish Caliphate founded by a tall guy with red hair).

Luis questions the following quote of mine: “Thus, from the beginning, Islam was conceived as war ideology against civilization.” (The idea behind the quote cannot be really contested, because The Prophet himself, PBUH, said so…)

Luis: “Why do you equate “civilisation” per se as the “Roman-Greco West”? Used in this way, “civilisation” becomes simply a loaded word which can be wielded to produce whatever meaning one wants. But didn’t Islamic civilisations exist? Weren’t they, indeed, ahead of Europe for a long time in terms of science?”

No, “they” were not. That is a… racist myth. Yes, racist. Inverted racism is still racism. Identifying “Muslim” and “Arab” is a form of racism. So is identifying anybody living in the Muslim Imperium as a “Muslim” foremost. One does not define Abelard, Fibonacci, Buridan, Leonardo Da Vinci, or even Oresme, as “Christian” thinkers (although Oresme became a bishop!) They are defined by what they contributed to humanity: new ideas. Everybody with a modicum of culture knows that their work imperiled the fascist religious establishment.

It’s of great import: in a few decades, the Arabs conquered the world’s largest empire.

I am not saying that Muhammad was against science. Actually, the exact opposite is pretty much certain. The Prophet was smart, observant, progressive, and, according to him, poisoned by jackals, who claimed he was delirious, and prevented him to write his will, as they claimed the Qur’an was enough (see below).

In the Muslim imperium, people who were not Muslim had to wear special marks on their clothing, were condemned to special taxes, and were subject to many indignities, vexation, and denial of basic human rights. Those who did not want their children to be submitted to this, superficially embraced Islam during the long centuries of Islam occupation.

The Prophet mentioned not just the “Romans”, as a civilization to raid, but also the Persians. (He considered only the Romans to be following God, Allah, but to be doing so poorly; later some Muslim authorities reluctantly deigned to consider Zoroastrians “people of the the book”).

The conventional point of view claims that Arab science was more advanced than Europe’s. This is conventional, but convention does not truth make. Studying the situation carefully reveals otherwise. See my “Shocking Arabophilia”:

That “Arabic science was more advanced” than that of Europe, is much repeated, but a form of racism. Indeed, not everybody inside the Muslim Imperia, the Caliphate(s) was an Arab. Actually “Arabs” were always a small minority inside the empire they created (so, in particular, North Africans are not “Arabs”).

“Arabic numerals” are actually Indian (mostly, although the Ancient Greeks initiated the notation a bit). The ZERO was created by an Uzbek. Faced with this complex situation, please don’t despair, please read Al-Khwarizmi‘s On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals (ca. 825). The author, a famous thinker and mathematician, was born in Eastern Greater Iran, now called Uzbekistan.

Many of the “Arab” superior thinkers were… Jewish. In any case the breakthroughs in philosophy and science were made in Europe


Islam As An Homicidal Software Program:

Hela Ouardi, a Tunisian researcher (digging inside the texts) points out the many assassination attempts against the Prophet Muhammad. And the fact he was very officially abused by his companions on his death bed. They forbade him to write the testament he wanted to write (Muhammad’s son had died a few months prior). Muhammad believed he was being poisoned. Not just as he died, but in previous circumstances. At one point he was given a remedy. He forced everyone to drink it, to make sure it was not poison.  Two days to bury him, unusual.

Fatima, the daughter of the prophet, mom of the grandsons whom the Prophet beloved, was assassinated within weeks of her father’s death.

Hela Ouardi says that this is the initial flaw of Islam, the recourse to violence, right from the start, comparable to a programmatic mistake in a computer, right from the start.

What’s her sources? Ms. Ouardi went through all the sacred texts (Sunni or Shia). Up to very recently, most of these texts had not even been read, let alone, studied.


The Mood That “OBAMA LEGACY IS AWFUL” Is Spreading;

I have been hyper critical Of Obama, as soon as he approached the presidency. (I had supported his campaign to the point i got invited to the inaugural, and he is a personal friend.)

Obama, unfortunately, turned into G W Bush’s little bum wiper boy: Obama became president, and applied more Reagonomics, more subsidies for the rich, and more colossal layers of misleading hypocrisy than ever before. (Obama was reluctant in doing so, but the entire leadership of the democratic party as closet right wing Pluto republicans!)

I said that the price to be paid would be Obama’s place in history. Now that mood is spreading too:

Bill Clinton (March 21, 2016):“If you believe we can rise together, if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics, then you should vote for her,” the former president said about his wife.


That was my old hope about Hillary: that she would turn against her, and her husband’s sponsors. So far, she had nixed this hope. However, this declaration changes everything. It is a serious turn against Obama’s (and Cruz’s) puppet masters (Cornell West, the famous black author, who made 65 speeches for Obama in 2008, but was not invited to the inaugural, called Obama a “black puppet”, March 20, 2016: the rats are leaving the plutocratic ship).

This is all getting very interesting. Moods are everything.

Patrice Ayme’

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20 Responses to “Islam Against Civilization? Hillary “Member ISIS”? Clinton Trashes “Awful” Obama?”

  1. Picard578 Says:

    picard578 said
    March 24, 2016 at 8:45 pm
    “That “Arabic science was more advanced” than that of Europe, is much repeated, but a form of racism.”

    And utterly incorrect at that. In fact, it is Persian and Roman scientists who are responsible for all of Muslim world’s scientific advancements, before they too were forced to convert to Islam. After that, the only scientific advancements by Islamic countries were made through plundering of Greco-Roman and other Western libraries


  2. Picard578 Says:

    picard578 said
    March 24, 2016 at 8:53 pm
    And one more thing: ALL ideologies are wrong, simply because they are ideologies – different, even slightly different, conditions require different answers, and what is appropriate in one situation is not necessarily appropriate in another, no matter how similar they seem. Liberal fundamentalism can be just as deadly as Nazism – and unfortunately liberal fundamentalism is now rampant, to the point of truth denial (e.g. “Islam is a religion of peace”, “Islam had nothing to do with Bruxelles attacks”).


  3. Luis Says:

    Luis said
    March 24, 2016 at 8:54 pm
    “The Prophet mentioned not just the Romans, but the Persians.”

    Yes, he was at war with particular civilisations; this isn’t the same as “civilisation itself”.

    “That “Arabic science was more advanced” than that of Europe, is much repeated, but a form of racism.”

    Okay, but I was talking about Islam and that state of science in that region of the world compared to Europe at the time.

    “Sam Harris is virulently anti-Christian, although not as drastically as I am… I am on his tweeter feed, I see nothing there which looks like racism to me.”

    That’s because you’re not the one against whom he’s directing racism. You have the luxury of reading Harris’s polemics from a comfortable vantage point. I’m not saying that his words are consciously racist; I’m saying that the objective role of his words is to promote imperialist racism, couched in the convenient motif of our time (“war on terror”). It isn’t enough for him to “also hate Christianity”. The issue isn’t only one about religion, and the stuff that he leaves out of his analysis means that he ends up acting as apologist and spokesperson (and providing an ideological smokescreen) for imperialism.

    “I have Wahhabiophobia, extreme, or Salafismophobia.”

    Fair enough; me too. Except that the very “civilisations” who are professing to be under siege from Islamist terrorism are themselves the primary backers of Wahhabism.

    “BTW, the main slogans of the Islamist State are direct quotes from the Qur’an (for example: “Kill them wherever you meet them!”).”

    Well, lots of things are direct quotes, including those used by Muslims who engaged in humanitarian work.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Well, one has to consider the Prophet had also a war with Yatrib (which had welcomed him) and finished by exterminating a Jewish tribe there. Then he had a very long war with Mecca. So basically, never saw a city he did not fight. Persia and Rome were giant states with hundreds of cities. So they deserve to be called civilizations.
      One can say that, to a great extent, Muhammad created a Muslim civilization of sort, a kind of template which was projected all over as a varnish. Arabia itself had few cities. Present day Saudi Arabia may have had a dozen????


  4. Gmax Says:

    Bill Clinton is suddenly getting smart


    • dominique deux Says:

      The progressive mind’s ability to see the silver lining behind any cloud is really endearing (this goes for Patrice too).

      If it was Hillary saying that, one might entertain the hope that she in fact has seen the light and raised the right flag (what has she to lose?). But Bill? with his record? No way. He just understood that Sanders is a very serious threat, and by telling Sanders’ supporters that with Hillary, they’ll get the same flavor AND a victory at the polls, he’s maneuvering deftly, not taking a stance.

      Trust him to tell us later that technically, he was not lying.

      Sorry for p**ing on your parade – but in France, we’be been scalded enough, by guys who knew exactly which promises to fire and forget, to be more than twice shy.


      • Patrice Ayme Says:

        I agree with what you say, Dominique. HOWEVER, what Bill is doing, long term, is that, by admitting Obama was “awful”, he is changing the deepest mood. Of course, Bill is not lying: it all depends upon what the meaning of lying is. Or the meaning of being. Or the meaning of meaning, whatever…


      • Gmax Says:

        Dominique: you mean big boy Bill is taking this girl for a ride? You damned right#!!! Well it was nice while it lasted. Still I think it changes the mood, like Patrice said. Just like Sanders is changing the mood


  5. EugenR Says:

    It seems the political system in the western modern civilization is waiting with its response to de-legalize religion with violence incorporated to its essence until a real mass murder will happen by mass murdering tools😷 . Maybe then it will use its destructive tools to annihilate the aggressive culture thatvisendangering the humanity, or it will let to annihilate the modern culture with its liberal values.
    But what world are we heading too, when a technologically advanced civilization have to use its destructive power to save the modern culture and the human race? I hope i will not be aruond by then.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I hope I will be around a long time, because I love to fight with my mind and terrorize imbeciles with superior ideas which confuse them


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I have made several essays on Thought Crimes. One has to distinguish between fiction (ALLOWED!!!) and preaching violence as if it were central to being good in the universe when in truth it is for purely evil purposes.
      So it’s a case by case thing.
      I am an expert on Nazism, I have read lots of things written or said by Hitler, and his goons (Rommel, etc.). That does not make me a Nazi, quite the opposite.
      Same with Islam. However the nuance was lost on The Guardian, which views me as a Jihadist (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
      Same with Trump: I have followed him a bit, but that does not make me a pro-Trump partisan. (Same with Netanyahu, too!)
      So fiction is OK.

      What needs to be done with Islam is rather simple: a basic, compatible-with-civilization Islam needs to tell that:
      The Qur’an is allegorical, metaphorical, inspirational… and a deviant depiction of Muhammad’s ideas.


  6. pshakkottai Says:

    Hi Patrice:
    The basis of this number system is mentioned in the second stanza of the first chapter of Aryabhatiya.

    The Varga (Group/Class) letters Ka to Ma are to be placed in the varga (square) places (1st, 100th, 10000th …etc. places) and Avarga letters like Ya, Ra, La .. have to be placed in Avarga places (10th, 1000th,…etc. places).

    The Varga letters ‘Ka’ to ‘Ma’ have value from 1, 2, 3 .. up to 25 and Avarga letters ‘Ya’ to ‘Ha’ have value 30, 40, 50.. up to 100.In the Varga and Avarga letters, beyond the ninth vowel (place), new symbols can be used.

    The values for vowels are as follows : i= 100 ; u = 10000, ru = 1000000 and so on.

    Aryabhata used this number system for representing both small and large numbers in his mathematical and astronomical calculations. This system can even be used to represent fractions and mixed fractions. For example nga is 1/5, nja is 1/10 and Jhardam (jha=9; its half) = 4½

    Example: 299,792,458
    10^0 10^1 10^2 10^3 10^4 10^5 10^6 10&7 10^8
    85, 42, 97, 99, 2
    जल घिनि झुशु झृसृ खॢ
    ja-la ghi-ni jhu-śu jhṛ-sṛ khḷ

    This is to make results in poetry, easy to learn by rote. All texts in Sanskrit were texts were oral for a long time! Lots of algorithms in Sanskrit are instructions in verse.

    The traditional Indian digit order is reversed compared to the modern way. By consequence, Āryabhaṭa began with the ones before the tens; then the hundreds and the thousands; then the myriad and the lakh (= 105) and so on. (cf. Indian numbering system)

    Aryabhata (Sanskrit: आर्यभट; IAST: Āryabhaṭa) or Aryabhata I[1][2] (476–550 CE)[3][4] was the first of the major mathematician-astronomers from the classical age of Indian mathematics and Indian astronomy. His works include the Āryabhaṭīya (499 CE, when he was 23 years old)[5] and the Arya-siddhanta.

    He lived several centuries before Albaruni.

    Considered in modern English units of time, Aryabhata calculated the sidereal rotation (the rotation of the earth referencing the fixed stars) as 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4.1 seconds;[29] the modern value is 23:56:4.091. Similarly, his value for the length of the sidereal year at 365 days, 6 hours, 12 minutes, and 30 seconds (365.25858 days)[30] is an error of 3 minutes and 20 seconds over the length of a year (365.25636 days).[31]



  7. Silvia Gally Says:

    ‘Fundamental Wahhabism: a philosophical conspiracy brought to you by friendly fossil fuel enthusiasts, starting in the 1930s Saudi Arabia.’

    Sil Via: A sect…. which had been awarded by French Governement( who sold its credit) with the Legion d’Honneur….

    March 22 at 8:54am


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Patrice Ayme: The Saudis are a complicated situation. The Prince had asked to be attributed the Legion d’ Honneur. That was hard to refuse. And… I don’t have a problem with it (I am subtle too!). I do have a problem with (pseudo) “intellectuals” or pseudo-“philosophers” telling us that “Islamophobia is racism“. I have Wahhabophobia… Salafismophobia… We can hardly reproach the Saudis to be Saudis. But we can reproach pseudo-thinkers for hire in the West to out-Saudi the Saudis. BTW, I have LOTS of readers in Saudi Arabia, and don’t think they all belong to the SIA…

      Catholicism is the world’s oldest sect… It was certainly dangerously sectarian for more than a millennium…And continuously run institution (although arguably, the Roman State is still running…)


  8. ianmillerblog Says:

    A minor point. Islam was not necessarily against science. In Samarkand, Tiimur the lame ordered his troops to protect scholars at all costs, and Timur was not exactly tolerant towards those who thought they knew better than he did. Unfortunately, his enlightenment, in this sense at least, did not last.

    As for Obama, I must confess as a foreigner, I am disappointed. “Yes we can!” seemed to suddenly degenerate into “Can do what?”


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I agree that Islam (meaning Muhammad) was not anti-science. Muhammad was pro-science. But as Islam (as in Uthman’s Qur’an) is extremely friendly to dictatorship, and that’s often the enemy of free thinking, and, in particular, science.

      Timur was from a Turkified Mongol family. His Muslim faith was not too clear, it was a sort of ecumenical Sufism, but he was pro-Mongol first, wanting to reconstitute the great Mongol empire of a century before his birth.

      Obama, well, a friend, and a pathetic spectacle. He was railroaded all the way back in 2008. (Bill) Clinton plutocratic handlers such as Erskine Bowles (or whatever his name) went to Barry, and told him to stay away from his friends. He was allowed to keep only the brainless ones… Bowles went on to chair the tax reform and responsibility commission, etc. Put the Plutos in charge of tax, yeah. Fact is Obama first lowered enormously the tax rates on the richest… to relaunch the economy, after the communist (?) rule of G W Bush, presumably (then the taxes were brought back up a bit, on the hyper rich, so now they can claim they were “brought up”)


  9. Kevin Berger Says:

    Honest question : how do you fit the UK in your wahabist theory? Because, IIRC, Saudi Arabia is “Saudi” only thanks to British wartime intrigues and post-war manipulations. One can accurately say that Wahabism in its current form is weaponized native proxy first used by British intelligence/big business – just as the MB, thinking of it -, part of a long tradition of “divide & conquer” imperial shenanigans.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I know the history, and it’s complex. It fits very well my Wahhabist theory. Abdud Aziz Ibn Saud used a sort of hyper ISIS to get to power. Then he suggested they go invade Palestine. Then he told the Brits its ISIS was coming, and where, when and how. The Brits exterminated the ancient Ibn Saud’s ISIS. The Americans appeared on the scene in the following decade. As many said here, the Brits tried to please the Americans.

      The big picture: Britain is a plutocracy masquerading as a democracy. The leaders of Britain saw in Ibn Saud a fellow Plutocrat. Delight. Then the USA came and stole the whole pie. Watch my explanation to Eugen on “Divide and Conquer” inside the West now as a reply to his answer to “vyse”.


  10. Kevin Berger Says:

    Aaand, you might be pleased to learn that some Brookings institute lil helpers have discovered the true roots of jihadism, and expose them for all to see!


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Thanks for the link. Incredibly idiotic article, hyper anti-French (Francophobic). Important to know about it! The idiot who wrote it forgot France is the only country systematically fighting Muslim extremism and its consequences, in Africa and the Middle East, since… the Seventh Century (when the Frankish spies reported on the nascent Muslims’ activities…)


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