Religion: Delusion Serves Tribalization

[The following was censored by an American philosophy site. Why? It “exacerbates things”.]

In culturally advanced countries, such as the USA, religious believers with a modicum of general culture and awareness, know very well that, when they embrace a superstition, a so-called religion, they fancy something that is not the truth.

So what is going on? Why do they outwardly believe in something, that they truly do not believe in?

(For the purpose of this essay, I will override the joke that the difference between the USA and yogurt, is that yogurt has live culture.)

Thus believers know that they do not believe in the truth, they just have “faith” that they will get away with it. In advanced countries, believers have seen enough TV, and videos, to know this.

So why do they embrace something that they do not believe in, deep down inside? If you ask them, they will say because so did their parents, or that it’s a “tradition”.

Thus the motivation of believers is essentially tribal: I believe what my tribe believes, however absurd (and the more absurd, the more well defined it is). Religion is not just tribalism, it’s in-your-face tribalism. No wonder the so-called Islamist State behaves just the same. They heed the example generously provided by the USA (or, more exactly the leading, opinion making circles, of the USA; thus: are Islamists Americanists in heavy disguise?)

This is evidenced by the situation in Israel. Weirdly dressed people, often coming from overseas, namely the USA, have decided to occupy the land of others, and, if one observes this, they brandish racism, or even dark allusions to Nazism.

Tribalists always call critiques unduly offensive, or even racist and disrespectful of their religion (it is a sin, precisely because religion is tribal, and thus, attacking religion is attacking the tribe).

This, religion being a deliberate lie masking a tribal purpose, is why the god delusion has deflated in Europe: Europeans, deep inside, know that the old religions were essentially tribal excuses to go to war manipulated by elites for their own profit (see Israel again for a live example). And Europeans have had enough of wars.

(By the way, Putin’s invasion of Ukraine killed at least 4,500 people, it was announced today.)

The rejection of religion by Europeans was helped by the SS motto: “Gott Mit Uns” (God With Us). Nazism evoked “Gott” a lot, and Biblical semantics (superior race versus “Elected People”, “Lebensraum”, the vital space to the east, as in the Bible, in parallel with “Promised Land”, without counting the many god-organized genocides of the Bible, etc…)

It dawned on Europeans that the old elites walloped in faith. With the enthusiasm of various predatory beasts, walloping in gore. This is not meant to be an insult, by the way. It’s a description: predators rub themselves in the smell of decaying flesh of their prey to disguise their true nature, and make it easier to approach the next meal.

Thus Christianism did with love. Love was rubbed all over it, but the purpose was just the opposite: Christianism killed millions…. Yet, it did not even originate European style welfare, nationalization, and socialism (the Franks did that).

If, as I asserted, believers have made a conscious decision to believe in lies, what does that tell us? That here are people whose meta-ethics is lying.

Do we want to encourage this? Do we even want to tolerate this? Should this be viewed as a deviant psychological behavior? This is what somebody such as Dawkins believe. I do not like Dawkins on genes, but I approve him on that.

One cannot have faith, a faith one knows is a lie, a faith that lies should rule the minds, and it is of no consequence.

We encourage meta-lying by not calling, at least among intellectuals, the God Delusion for what it is. Not just a delusion, but a tribalization. The delusion of tribalization.

It is not a question of telling a child dying of cancer that god does not exist, and will not take care of her. I am ready, and I certainly will lie, in such a case, as I comfort a child, and not just a child, with such lies… And maybe they are not lies, gods know…

By the way, Christians ought to stop holding the Solstice hostage. The Winter Solstice feasts, complete with cut conifers, lights, decorations and gift giving, are known to be older than Christianism by more than five centuries.

An exasperated Imperator Augustus passed a law to limit the “Saturnials”, as the Romans called the solstice feasts, to less than three weeks.

In a debate among intellectuals, the connection between gods’ delusion and tribalization ought not to be censored.

That such a connection is censored in American “philosophical” sites is telling.

Primitives go to war. Those who claim to be primitive enough to persuade themselves that they are primitive, will also go to war, because, once they have persuaded themselves that they are primitive, they are free to act like the primitives they have persuaded themselves they are. When Bush invaded Iraq, in 2003, monolithic war thinking ruled all over. USA media systematically censored all my comments (although the New York Times editorial board was reading them for themselves, as they communicated with me).

Religionism is tribalism by another name. Tribes are the primitive war units. However, war fabricates history.

Europe is anxious to forget war. But the feeling is not reciprocal. The American leadership, by making sure that the population does not forget religion, thus tribalism, makes sure that most of the military budget of the planet originates in the USA.

Thus religion is at the core of the military-industrial complex. They are both strong in the USA, because they are related.

The USA was also spectacularly in denial about the poisoning of the biosphere by CO2. That, too, is related to religion: after all, why to worry? God is omnipotent, remember? And no need to do anything about a violent society, violent police, and the might of plutocrats: God is in charge.

Religion does not just organize tribalism, it can make it conservative, that is, in a few hands. Don’t ask why American universities censor agnosticism, ask why they should censor those who want a society less defined by the few, who make them rich.

Time to “exacerbate things“?

Patrice Ayme’

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16 Responses to “Religion: Delusion Serves Tribalization”

  1. robert sinclair Says:

    Russia invaded ukraine? Doh!

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Robert: welcome. Not really. It’s not Russia which really invaded Ukraine, it’s Vlad the Invader, who fancies himself as president for life. Putin sent his goons to invade Ukraine, first in Crimea (he admitted to it later).

      Then Vlad the Invader tried to grab the Donbas. Yes, pretty dumb, indeed. But Putin will, hopefully pay a heavy price and he can still correct his course to oblivion: everybody is trying to help him recover his wits. He has come to realize that being president for life is not something he may still want to do in the future.
      https://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/putin-kill-tatars-own-crimea/

      Fortunately, for once, the American empire is reacting well, finally sending weapons to Ukraine, and the price of oil down to hell. The ruler of Kiev, Vladimir I (!) of Kiev conquered the Crimean Khanate and some Roman (“Byzantine”) towns, and converted to Christianism. Moscow was (mostly) founded by the youngest son of Prince Igor, centuries later.

      Anna of Kyiv married King of the Franks Henri I, and was revolted how primitive, dirty the Franks were. She herself spoke and wrote 5 language, including Latin and Greek. She was later, after her husband’s death, regent and reigning queen of Francia. Henri I admired and approved his wife, signing all his decrees “with the consent of queen Anna”. She named her son Philip (I), thus introducing the name Philip in the West.

      All French monarchs descend from her.

      During all that time, Moscow did not even exist.

      For Russia to kill Ukraine is a case of parricide.
      PA

  2. Dean Mitchell Says:

    Patrice: “As believers made a conscious decision to believe in lies, what does that tell us? That here are people whose meta-ethics is lying?”

    Dean Mitchell: It tells us that people are fundamentally scared and looking for ways to make the world safe. Compassion is the remedy.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      They don’t look scared to me when they are aggressive and insist that:”[my] GOD IS GREAT [and yours nothing]” ISIS is scared? Do the Pope, Khamenei, or guys claiming they are observant Jews or devout followers of Jesus look scared to you?

      This was in a context of philosophy professors claiming rigor. Americans of power believe in god, or so they say all day long, ostentatiously. Do they look scared to you? Scary to own and order the world? I have not seen poor Americans making a god show. Does that mean they are not scared? Europeans don’t believe in god. Do they look non-scared to you?

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dean: They don’t look scared to me when they are aggressive and insist that:”[my] GOD IS GREAT [and yours nothing]” Do the Pope, Khamenei, or guys claiming they are observant Jews or devout followers of Jesus look scared to you?

      This was in a context of philosophy professors claiming rigor. Americans of power believe in god, or so they say all day long, ostentatiously. Do they look scared to you? Scary to own and order the world? Europeans don’t believe in god. Do they look non-scared to you?I have not seen poor Americans making a god show. I have seen them make dog show, though. Does that mean they are not scared?

  3. Kevin Berger Says:

    As usual, no comment, just a link (from alternet, so with the usual caveat) :
    http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-millions-christian-evangelicals-oppose-obamacare-and-civil-rights?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

    FWIW.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      The philosophy site which censored me is administered by a self declared “atheist” who I now believe, after reading him some more, is a closet Christian. He is the equivalent of a gay man claiming to be obsessed by beautiful women…

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Thanks Kevin! This is an excellent interview, and very true. Long long ago, I wrote many essays on the subject. Especially at the time of what Bush called the “crusade” in Iraq (when he was told that was not cool, he stopped calling it a “crusade“).

      The Bible is central to American society management. It allowed to massacre (nearly all) the Indians, and enslave Indians and Africans. The aura of Judeo-Christianism is so strong in the USA that this philosophy professor in New York who censors me is actually an Italian immigrant. But he has sniffed the air, and knows full well, new anti-Judeo-Christian ideas are absolutely contrary to the American Modus Operandi.

      BTW, the Apocalyptic Christians (= all those who believe the Bible), also support the Greater Israel, and, basically the extermination of Palestinians: that’s part of the last battle, Armageddon…

      Here is an extract of the interview you linked, which will reveal to non-Americans the extent of the problem:

      Why were so many Christians so reluctant to support national health care? I could see why they were critical of the Democratic party on gay rights. I could see why they were critical on abortion. What I didn’t understand is why, as a conservative Bible believing Christian, you would be opposed expanding health care.

      This book is a very long, 480-page answer to that question.

      My argument in a nutshell is that the apocalyptic theology that developed in the 1880s and 1890s led radical evangelicals to the conclusion that all nations are going to concede their power in the End Times to a totalitarian political leader who is going to be the Antichrist. If you believe you’re living in the last days and you believe you’re moving towards that event, you’re going to be very suspicious and skeptical of anything that seems to undermine individual rights and individual liberties, and anything that is going to give more power to the state.

      How significant is apocalypticism in the history of American evangelicalism?

      The idea that Jesus is coming back soon was a fairly radical and unconventional idea in the 19th century, but by the 21st century it’s the air American Christians breathe. The most recent polls said something like 58 percent of white evangelicals believe Jesus is going to return by 2050. They simply take for granted that there is going to be a Rapture and Jesus is going to come back.

      I took those statistics and others like them and moved backwards in time. What I found in my research was that apocalypticism was central to fundamentalists and evangelicals. What made them most distinct, what set them apart from liberal Protestants is not what we’ve traditionally thought. It’s not questions of the virgin birth or how you read the Bible or questions of the nature of the incarnation or the literal resurrection of Jesus or Jesus’s miracles. All those matter, all of those things do set them apart, but they don’t affect how they live their daily lives. The one thing that affects how they live their daily lives is that they believe we are moving towards the End Times, the rise of the Antichrist, towards a great tribulation and a horrific human holocaust.

  4. Kevin Berger Says:

    Et sinon, sans vouloir donner dans la grandiloquence de comptoir, en ce qui concerne la France et les Français, j’aimerais vraiment un peu, juste un peu de tribalisme… parce que là, en l’état, la mode est plutôt à l’éffacement et au mépris de soi, avec prime donnée à tout ce qui nie le pays, la Nation, son histoire, son peuple, etc, etc…
    Bon, c’est dit avec un peu dramatiquement, d’accord, après tout nous sommes sur internet, mais la tendance de fond est indéniable, et vous même vous en rendez compte à l’occasion, quand vous épinglez l’enseignement en France.

    Tribalisme “européiste”, tribalisme “Catholico-National”, tribalisme “républicain”, peu importe au fond; juste de quoi refaire un roman National qui fasse vivre la France et les Français, au lieu de les éteindre à dessein – illustration a minima, la mémoire de la Grande Guerre, à pleurer.

    And, as for religion, I have no real comments about your last serie of entries and texts, mainly because I just do not care.
    My own trajectory had me going from some pop-atheism to basically being at peace with my (Catholic) heritage. I do not practice, though I try and believe (interesting insight about modernity writ large and faith), mostly to no avail, but this is just an after-thought, where I come from and what made me. A well-worn piece of cloth that I do not even feel wearing, and would be silly wasting time even thinking about.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I more or less agree with all you said.
      My own belief is that the demolition of France was fully engaged in the 1950s, during the fight against “colonialism”. (Most) French intellectuals equated FRENCH colonialism with the evil the lower classes had to fight against. That meant, in practice, that they fought FOR American and Soviet (now Putinistic) colonialism.

      The funny thing is that, each time that the grandchildren of these traitors-pseudo intellectuals (Sartre, Beauvoir, etc.) use an iPhone, and search on Google, they submit, celebrate, take part, in American colonialism. Even the big EURO banks are part of it, as they embraced the Clinton re-organization of the economy of the 1990s.

      The fact professional intellectuals acted as traitors against Europe, has not been understood to this day (a famous exception was Camus; and then there are cases like Aron).

      One sees lots of these fools on TV, still saying that their parents, from the lower working class, fought for the “””independence”””” of Algeria. Question: why did they not fight for their OWN future, instead of being involved with what was none of their business? Now the jobs are in China. And the money in the USA, and the greatest world density of billionaires in Moscow. Why? Because they attacked the wrong enemy.

  5. Massimo Pigliucci Says:

    Patrice,

    I’m not going to let your latest comment (below) through. Although normally it would (barely) pass my filter, there has been already enough unconstructive non-dialogue in this thread, and I don’t want to exacerbate things.

    Cheers,

    Massimo

    In culturally advanced countries, believers with a modicum of general culture and awareness, know very well that, when they embrace a superstition, a so-called religion, because so did their parents, they fancy something that is not the truth.

    Thus they know that they do not believe in the truth, they just have “faith” that they will get away with it. They have seen enough to know this. Thus their position is essentially tribal: I believe what my tribe believes, however absurd. It’s not just tribalism, it’s in-your-face tribalism.

    This is evidenced by the situation in Israel. Weirdly dressed people, often coming from overseas, have decided to occupy the land of others, and, if one observes this, they brandish racism, or even dark allusions to Nazism.

    Tribalists always call critiques unduly offensive, or even racist and disrespectful of their religion (it is a sin, precisely because religion is tribal).

    This, religion being a deliberate lie masking a tribal purpose, is why the god delusion has deflated in Europe: Europeans, deep inside, know that the old religions were essentially tribal excuses to go to war which elites brandished (see Israel again for a live example).

    That was helped by the SS motto: “Gott Mit Uns” (God With Us), and the old elites walloping in faith, with the enthusiasm of various predatory beasts, in gore. This is not meant to be an insult, by the way. It’s a description: predators rub themselves in the smell of their prey to disguise their true nature.

    Thus Christianism with love. Love rubbed all over, but the purpose is just the opposite.

    If, as I asserted, believers have made a conscious decision to believe in lies, what does that tell us? That here are people whose meta-ethics is lying.

    Do we want to encourage this? Do we even want to tolerate this? Should this be viewed as a deviant psychological behavior? This is what somebody such as Dawkins believe. I do not like Dawkins on genes, but I approve him on that.

    One cannot have faith, a faith one knows is a lie, a faith that lies should rule the minds, and it is of no consequence.

    We encourage meta-lying by not calling, at least among intellectuals, the God Delusion for what it is. Not just a delusion, but a tribalization.

    It is not a question of telling a child dying of cancer that god does not exist, and will not take care of her. I am ready, and I certainly will lie, in such a case, as I comfort a child, and not just a child, with such lies… And maybe they are not lies, gods know… However, in a debate among intellectuals, the connection between gods’ delusion and tribalization ought not to be censored.

    By the way, Christians ought to stop holding the Solstice hostage. The Winter Solstice feasts (Roman Saturnials), complete with cut conifers, lights, decorations and gift giving, are known to be older than Christianism by more than five centuries
    _________

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Massimo:
      I have been actually at a loss for words and ideas, to understand why I am not “let through”, and I have searched for ways to express myself politely.

      The first time I commented on Scientia Salon, it was to observe that some form of propaganda, or misinformation had to be blocked by law (ISIS comes to mind; and also the outlawing of Nazi propaganda in France, Germany, etc.)
      Instead, you held the line that one should not block anything, not even holocaust denial. Now ironically, it seems I am viewed as more dangerous than holocaust deniers, because, although they are to be tolerated, apparently I am not when I sniff around Judeo-Christianism.

      What was prevented from publication were strictly ideas of mine on some religious faiths. That was not a question of denying that the Nazis killed millions of Jews. Quite the opposite: I alluded to the fact that the Christian Church made it so that millions got killed in various crusades in the Middle Ages. That was the most “unduly offensive” fact I used. Yet, it’s a documented historical fact, rock solid, from many sources, and archeology.

      I have been extremely shocked by the establishment of a special treatment for my comments (de facto, as you said). I have tried to understand your position by what you wrote on the subject.
      The comments which were blocked had strictly no personal attack, or demeaning remark.
      Anyway, I am baffled.

      Patrice Ayme

  6. Dean Mitchell Says:

    Patrice, you’re obviously a very smart person, but you don’t appear to know much about people. Fear is the root of all of those behaviours.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Dean: you think I never ever heard of greed, sex, money, gluttonery, sadism, masochism, ambition, will to power, cruelty, shame, curiosity, hunting, envy, jealousy, depravity, absurdity, love, the will to teach, parental love, the will to care, the will to live, and so on?

      Look: I ran 17 miles, going up and down a mile, yesterday. The mountain was in very bad condition, due to a recent storm, the biggest in more than 5 years. Trees two feet across were broken like matchsticks. Water, stones and mud were everywhere on the single track. No one was on the mountain. I finished at night in freezeing weather.

      Now you are going to tell me I do not know humans, and I did all this because I was scared? (OK, when I did the last 4 miles running in the dark, I was certainly scared of not seeing a hole)

      So when I go skiing through the mountains in 2 weeks, it will be because I am scared????

      By saying fear is the root of all human behavior, besides not observing very small children are not afraid, one would be saying that all great monsters are just scared rabits one should have pity for.

  7. Matt Howe Says:

    Patrice, I just have a different experience than you when it comes to people in their belief. The fact that I know even one person that sincerely believes is a point to be considered, but I know several. And these are people who are well educated and live in the US. If you can reconcile that with your premise I would love to hear it.
    … it looks as if you are supporting your points by using only Muslims in particular, but your original point did not make a distinction about any religion. Can you clarify?

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Initially https://patriceayme.wordpress.com/…/religion-delusion…/
      Religion: Delusion Serves Tribalization
      … was written for a (supposedly) atheist philosophy site which actually censored me several times for being “unduly offensive” about Christianism… I often use Sunni, especially Wahabbism to support the excess of religion. But “Islam” (whatever that means) is all over the map (much more than Christianism). The more advanced forms of Islam are fully secular compatible.
      PA

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