Relativistic Length Contraction Busts Helium3


Could it be that matter under a steady acceleration in vacuum would end up exploding? A naive interpretation of Special Relativity would deny this… HOWEVER, I don’t think the situation of length contraction in Relativity is fully settled. I am of course not denying Michelson-Morley, etc. 

Einstein came up with the standard answer regarding length contraction: comoving frame versus non-comoving frame: what’s absolute in Relativity is, and only is, the relative relationship. He wrote in 1911. 

The so-called Bell Paradox gives an inkling of something more serious… The intriguing breaking of the string between two similarly accelerating spaceships was looked at in 1959 (Dewan and Beran, not Bell; their paper seems complete to me). In 1976, Bell claimed most physicists at CERN got the problem wrong when it was presented to them. There is no doubt that the string will break: that comes from the intriguing non simultaneity of time at the extremities of any extended object (from the term (-vx/cc) which appears in moving frame time).

What I observe is a problem at the nuclear level: if one submits a Helium 3 nucleus to a constant acceleration from an electric field, it is in a similar case to that of a couple of spaceships united by a string. Now the string is the strong force and the spaceships are two protons. This nuclear assemblage should split when reaching a certain speed. Whereas that does not destroy the Relativity Principle of Galileo in the strictest sense… it destroys the idea that things stay the same under constant acceleration… whereas a clock slows down under constant acceleration, as it does in a gravitational field (equivalence principle)… the clock never explodes… Or at least so it was thought…. But Helium 3 should explode . Does Relativity then breaks Relativity? Is it possible to detect high speeds in the bowels of the ship, as the He3 explodes? Skeptics may say that the preceding hints that there is an electromagnetic connection from the outside to the bowels of the ship… from the accelerating electrostatic field itself… OK, whatever, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc…

As Poincare pointed out, if it always happen, it’s a law of nature…

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Exposed to the preceding, some have sneered that “dissenting” viewpoints such as the preceding have no value, because all was discovered long ago, and quoting all problems go nowhere. But, first of all, when Relativity was elaborated, nobody had any idea of the structure of Helium3, or even that it existed.

Something else unrelated to Relativity pertaining to the logic of discovery in physics : The basic equation of Quantum Mechanics is something like: variation of wave function relative to time is equal (up to an imaginary constant) to potential energy. But it took thirty years to realize that this would have a physical effect, the Bohm-Aharonov effect… and, related, the importance of Gauge theories

An even more spectacular case is Aristotle getting confused by friction: one had to wait until 1340, 17 centuries later, for Buridan in Paris to realize this, and set up the correct laws of mechanics.

Or one could look at Dark Matter, discovered and labeled this way by the Swiss Zwicky at Caltech… in the 1930s… Most physicists just refused to look at the evidence (which was striking, an order of magnitude). Something similar happened with Dark Energy. Famous physicists were making money and gathering fame with their first three minutes and “Theory Of Everything”… while it was pretty obvious to seriously inquiring minds that all they talked about was 5% of the mass-energy of the universe. 

While translating Newton, the Marquise du Chatelet noticed that Isaac had confused momentum and energy…. She went on to demonstrate E = 1/2 mvv… and infrared energy…

Simplicius: Sorry to interupt your tangents on epistemology. I have a basic question: if you consider proton 1 at the bottom of a tower, and proton 2 on top, and the tower is standing on Earth’s surface. Both Proton 1 and Proton 2 are submitted to one g, then what? Do they separate?

Patrice Ayme: No they don’t. And the tower is irrelevant. The breaking of the strong force was caused by the term (-xv/cc) ((1-vv/cc)^(-1/2))… In the example you give, the founding principle of General Relativity, there is no v, so this term of desynchronization of clocks does not appear…

Could you explain clock synchronization?

PA: I will, it’s crucial. I found a nice little drawing, involving two half mirror and two light clocks, to explain clock synchronization… It’s a conceptual generalization of the well-known light clock picture. In an essay, soon.

Patrice Ayme

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16 Responses to “Relativistic Length Contraction Busts Helium3”

  1. Indranil Chattopadhyay Says:

    Indranil Chattopadhyay

    length contraction and time dilation are essentially the same thing. The muon surviving till earth surface can also be explained by length contraction as well. muon sees the earth atmospheric length contracted and survives till the earth surface…. In Newtonian/Galilean relativity the invariants are length and time intervals, in SR it is the space-time interval. And since the space time interval comes with a minus sign, so the invariant curve is a hyperbola instead of a circle (as in Euclidean space or in Galilean relativity).

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  2. Paul Handover Says:

    This is far ahead of my knowledge of science. I applaud you for writing this despite me not understanding it.

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    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Yes, I was pretty surprised by the conclusion, drawn recently. I have taught Relativity, at top universities, but was always uncomfortable with Length Contraction. However, Time Dilation is a real observable fact: fast moving clocks go slow. Why this happens has to do to the acceleration a fast clock must undergo (and GPS continually corrects for that). That I have understood well for a long time. It seemed to me, by obvious symmetry that a constant acceleration should have an effect on Length Contraction… But the experts didn’t agree.

      For my general SQPR theory, it’s important that Relativity not be to much of a 100% sacred cow (SQPR violates Relativity in the sense that it introduces a universal speed, TAU. much higher than the speed of light, by a factor of at least 10^23… TAU is universal. whereas c is LOCAL…)

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  3. ianmillerblog Says:

    My first thought is that proton 2, in the frame of reference of proton 1, is not moving, so there is no contraction and no problem. In the frame of reference of anything else, again both protons have the same problem, so nothing between them.

    But this raises the problem, the length contraction (or time dilation) for the muon from high altitude is real. By that I mean it is not simply an observer effect, which os what relativity usually is. It is bit confusing for me.

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    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      If proton 2 is distance x from proton 1, its time differs by – xv/cc —> (-x/c)(४)^(-1) as v approaches c… But (४)^(-1) blows up…. As v approaches c. Strong force does not resist to that… As I told Paul, this all surprised me, although I learned Relativity eons ago…

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  4. Gmax Says:

    are you saying that relativity is wrong?

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  6. Patrice Ayme Says:

    I have taught Relativity for the first time, decades ago. I was always troubled by Length Contraction: Time Dilation, which is the symmetrical effect has real world consequences, such as the possibility, if we had enormous energy at our disposal, to go to a distant star in a few months of so-called “proper time”. So a few monts to go to Beltegeuse 620 light years away… Time Dilation is thorougly understood and experimentally verified.

    So what was the real life consequence of Length Contraction? Opinion differed… Recently recalculating every thing, I came up with a drastic conclusion… Matter can’t resist infinite duration acceleration, even if said acceleration is reasonable, say one g….

    I will listen to the Carroll video. I highly respect him, and some of my comments were inflicted to him in the distant past, especially on the Foundation of Quantum Mechanics… Where my own theory, SQPR has got to win… Because it’s simply too simple and irresistible a modification of the existing QM… Along the lines of traditional physics… where far away is always different, attenuated… I apply that attenuation to the Quantum Interaction (another concept of mine, basically what is now fashionably called “decoherence”… used to be called “collapse”)

    Although SQPR was grown purely internally inside QM, it seems to be beating LCDM, Lambda Cold Dark Matter, the present version of the Big Bang…. These are exciting times… Thanks for circulating my work….

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  7. ianmillerblog Says:

    Patrice, I disagree. Proton 1 in the frame of reference of proton 2 is stationary, therefore both have the same time dilation. That is relativity. You might also note that some cosmic rays travel extremely close to the speed of light that your effect should be seen, but they seem to travel indefinite distances.

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    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      The Lorentz transformation of time is tricky. Time in the moving frame is not just multiplied by gamma, the inverse of the square root of (1-vv/cc). Yes, it is mostly that, conceptually, and exactly that if not looks only at the origin (x = 0). However, aside from the origin, lack of simultaneity becomes blatant. To the dilated time at the origin, one has to substract (- xv/cc) (gamma). This term causes the trouble. So proton 1 and proton 2 are not at the same time and increasingly not so as the acceleration keeps exerting its magic.

      (In a real starship trying to make it to Beltegeuse in 30 days of proper time, the acceleration would stop after a few days, so the stresses could dissipate…)

      A question is: where does the strange non simultaneity term comes from? I have an idea, I will make a drawing.

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  8. Simon Bridge Says:

    Simon Bridge

    physicist

    If it didn’t, it wouldn’t be any good as a theory.

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    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Usually a scientific theory resting on a principle does not predict a failure of that principle. Besides the rest of usual physics, Special Relativity has two axioms: the relativity principle of Galileo, and the light constancy principle. As I observe that Helium 3 (and other objects) bust beyond some speed, the former principle breaks down, and that’s a prediction of SRT…

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  9. Wold Dancer Says:

    Wolf Dancer

    Patrice Ayme  Then show us something worth looking at. You are bandying a number of terms about for no great reason. You want to start a fission reaction with an electric field. Where is your experimental evidence for this? You are not telling us the truth and I think your time as a troll is over.

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    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      It’s called a thought experiment. The electric field is long range (like gravity), the strong force is short range. The experiment is well beyond any existing technology, although particles are made to surf close to light speed from electric fields.

      [After some hesitation, I let the insults shine through; there are more of them. alleging facts about my life which did not happen: how could that “Wolf Dancer” know anything about me anyway? But in his mind’s eye, he does… This is a good illustratious of HITT: somehow, I triggered his hate mechanism… With a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT… In RELATIVITY… As long as people do not realize how easily hate can be triggered… wisdom will not progress…

      In a related epistemology and hate calculus:
      Islam is notorious for executing and, or terrorizing its intellectuals, even more than Catholicism ever did at its peak of horror (and it did a lot!) “Philosophy”, and other scholarly sites have been infected by Islamism. It’s part of a general conspiracy…
      Observations of Islam deemed critical are considered “racist”. Even the Wall Street Journal is infected, and blocks elementary observations about, say, the Qur’an, as they are against “community standards”.
      It’s all an “insidious” plot says the head of internal surveillance in France. The infiltration of intellectual and scholarly circles has doubled in 5 years, said he… For France, but the situation seems general..

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