Only Massive Imperial Force Will Save The Children

Learn From The Refugee Crisis Better, & Faster, Than In the 1930s.

Abstract: The refugees from Syria have to be let in. Simultaneously, the root of the problem has to be dealt with. And it can only be dealt with war, a war which is, first of all, to be fought on philosophical ground.

Most countries ignored the refugees in the 1930s. So doing, those countries not only condemned millions of innocents to death, they failed to learn about, and prepare the war with, the ideology of death, which was on a collision course with civilization.

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A father, his wife and two sons, aged 3 and 5, fled war in Kobane. Kobane, a city in Kurdish Syria, was destroyed by strict followers of the Islamist ideology. Relative of these Kurds had made it to Canada, a gigantic expanse of rich, temperate land up north. The two little boys ended drowned, and so did their 27 year old mother.

Enough. Time To Eradicate The Cause

Enough. Time To Eradicate The Cause

Chancellor Merkel and president Hollande had talked before about obligatory quotas of acceptation of refugees among European nations. Now they are making a formal proposition. The Hungarian PM, Orban, objected that accepting all these refugees would destroy the “Christian identity” of Europe. However, millions of Christians are trying to flee the Islamists (so one cannot accused these to not be “Christians”).

The war refugees reached the Anatolian coast, 23 kilometers away from the European island of Kos, in Greece. Canada had refused them peaceful admission (they had family there). So the war refugees had to flee for their lives, in an “unlawful” manner (how can it be “unlawful” to save one’s family?) They boarded a small boat at night, manned by a local Turk. The sea was bad. Two nasty waves, and panic on board, threw the family in the sea. Only the father survived. Aylan, three years old, ended on a beach, face down, drowned to death. Here he is, in the picture above. But cameramen were there.

In the present crisis, Germany has been the most accepting country of all for war refugees. That’s quite wise in many ways, and a significative change from German atavism. In 2015, Germany will admit 800,000 refugees, from the Middle East, much more than any European country.

In the long run, if the refugees are well integrated, they should help the German economy, which is short in workers. (That’s an important “if”; it passes by destroying first Islamist ideology, fundamental version.)

Daech (“Islamist State”) bought, sold women and young Yazidi girls calling them “cattle”. A trick women and girls used was not to wash, and smell as bad as possible, “Sara” testified in a book just published “Ils Nous Traitaient Comme Des Betes” (“they treated us as beasts”). Yazidis follow a religion several times older than Islam. So Islam hates them: as Yazidis are not “people of the book“, but “idolaters“, according to the Qur’an, they have to be killed. Hey, don’t look at me funny, just be respectful, and go read the Qur’an. Culture is nurture.).

Not that this is all about Daech: the horrendous dictatorship in Syria, that of the scion Bachar El Assad, has killed at this point around 250,000 people, displaced eight millions, and kills at a rate seven times that of Daech (according to the Syrian Human Right Watch (UK)).

When millions flee, leaving behind how they lived, risking their lives, it is an unmistakable symptom of evil rising.

On the face of it, the Islamist ideology, fundamental version, is worse than whatever was written in “Mein Kampf”. In Hitler’s book, one has to read between the lines, between the lies, and extrapolate. In the Qur’an, no need to read in between, or extrapolate anything: all sorts of categories of people, including highly speculative and non-objective ones, such as “apostates”, are condemned to all sorts of horrible death (with a preference for burning alive).

And now is Islam, fundamental version, in action: more than four million refugees, in Syria alone (OK, the dictator, Assad Junior, is officially not an Islamist, but he has the Islamist mentality, by opposition to the democratic mentality, and he is losing the war to the Islamists, whom he had craftily, or so he thought, released himself from jail!)

Yes, Islamism, like Nazism, was manipulated by an even greater force, international plutocracy gravitating around the highly leveraged banking system. But that makes the rising of war even more ominous, as it means that its causes are very deep, they have two stratigraphic layers, completely different in nature. One a form of banditry turned into a religion, the other, in the West, even worse, a form of banditry which nobody is aware of, a sort of transparency of crime.

So let’s accept the refugees from Syria, millions of them. That will be wonderful for European demography. At the same time, that can only be done by cracking down on the Islamist ideology. All and any preacher of Islam sent from overseas ought to be sent to jail for a very long time, and all and any Islamist teaching fundamentalist Islam should also do a long and hard time. This is the philosophical part: treat fundamental Islamism just like Nazism is treated in France and Germany: a criminal thought system.

At the same time, let’s not forget that, when million of refugees flee, it’s just a tripwire for infamy rising. And infamy needs to be crushed (said Voltaire).

In the 1930s, millions of Jews, and opponents of fascism, tried to flee central and southern Europe, where fascism had, using force, taken power in Italy, Germany, Spain, Hungary, etc… The USA was singularly uncooperative in helping them, accepting only a few celebrity refugees such as Einstein, Enrico Fermi (soon to direct the Manhattan project), Marlene Dietrich, etc. Cruise ships were turned around, and sent back to the Nazi Reich, and all passengers were grabbed back by the Nazis, and annihilated.

Meanwhile, France, with a territory smaller than Texas, accepted hundreds of thousands of refugees. (Compare with the 1,800 refugees from the Middle East the USA plans to admit in 2015.)

The usual “explanation” for the USA’s inhuman policy relative to the Jews and other enemies of Nazism in the 1930s, is that the USA is that the USA was “isolationist”. Sorry if I let you die along the road, or drown in the sea without throwing you a buoy, I’m isolationist.

In France, “non-assistance to person in danger” has long been a crime, very prominent in the law. A law, as applied to individuals, changes the mood of an entire society. Much difference between the USA & France comes precisely from the effect that this law, or lack thereof, has on the average person’s mind. (From health care, to incarceration madness, to fracking, etc.)

However, the more likely explanation was not “isolationism”. Instead, it is quite the opposite. The USA authorities, entangled with USA plutocracy, which was itself deeply entangled with European fascisms (in particular, Stalin’s Reich), was anxious to not have the American people guess the truth. The USA’s deep state knew the truth, and it suited it just fine: Europe was rotting, with a little help from the plutocracy of the USA, to the world’s worst dictators (Stalin, Mussolini, Stalin, Franco, Ho Chi Minh, etc.).

The solution, of course, as history revealed, was not to just accept the refugees from Nazism, but to go to war, something that the French Republic had understood first, yet could only do, once the United Kingdom had aligned itself behind France (this happened after the fall of Spain in winter 1939).

Eternal Return of the Same? Police officer talks to a Jewish person outside the kosher grocery where Amedy Coulibaly killed four people earlier in a terror attack, in Paris, Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015.

Eternal Return of the Same? Police officer talks to a Jewish person outside the kosher grocery where Amedy Coulibaly killed four people earlier in a terror attack, in Paris, Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015.

[For those who want to know, Judaism is the oldest religion practiced today in France. By a few centuries.]

The situation is the same now: first the refugees have to be accepted, now, and massively. But, although Europe can gladly accept maybe ten or twenty million refugees (as long as they get cleansed from lethal ideologies such as Islamism), Europe cannot accept all of Africa and the Middle East. Africa and the Middle East need to be fixed.

So what to do? War. And imposing an ideology that will overwhelm Islam (it has been done before, say with Christianism,  or, in most of these places, in the… 1930s: then Islam was viewed as the Middle Ages, ignored and despised. In the 1930s, Egyptian women in bikini crowed the beaches. Not coincidentally that was before the Nazi inspired, and Nazi allied, Muslim Brotherhood was created! One could argue the Muslim Brotherhood ought to be made illegal, for the exact same reason as the related Nazism is illegal… Yes, I know, some will argue Nazism is legal in the USA; yet, not really: one can hang a Nazi flag, and that’s OK, yet, one cannot indulge in ANY Nazi act: those are called “hate crimes” and are illegal, in the USA, France, Germany, etc.),

In other words, it’s high time to re-establish and expand over much of Africa and the Middle East, the Greco-Roman empire Muhammad had explicitly planned to destroy (and made an excellent job of it). What goes around, comes around.

A fundamental aside: Greco-Roman” is a mislabel. The “Greco-Roman” empire was Greek and Roman in language, but local languages flourished too. Moreover, the empire was also British, German, Punic, Spanish, Syrian, Libyan, North African, Illyrian, even Arab, etc. Not that the Sassanid (Iranian) empire next door was not another mighty civilization.

Some will scoff that this vision is too violent, too primitive. However, violence, that is force, works, and the more hinged on basic instincts, the more it works. This is why plutocracy, and its related tools, Nazism, Islamism, Sovietism, Maoism, etc. tend to work (only plutocracy and Maoism are thriving, at this point, but the others had their time of domination). The force, and seduction, of Islam is mostly in its primitive force.

Houellebecq published his book called “Submission” (that is, Islam). Coincidentally with the Charlie-Hebdo attack. Now the Algerian writer Boualem Sansal is publishing “2084, La Fin Du Monde”, also about the takeover of the world by Islam. Houellebecq just stated that he would now have written a version of his “Submission” much more critical of Islam.

Sansal talking to Haaretz: “I identify with all those who fight for freedom, and I believe that overall freedom is meaningless unless each of us is free. Those who are enslaved to a murderous ideology like radical Islam, who are presumably fighting for the freedom of the nation, are not coherent. They want to liberate their people in order to enslave them.”

Sansal writes in French, a language mostly derived from Latin, the language spoken in Algeria 2,000 years ago. Sansal wants French to be the official language of Algeria (instead it’s the language of the genocidal invaders, Arabic, which has been adopted as official language rather than of the three pre-existing languages… which still exist! Kabyle has not yet been made an official language.)

Daech, the Islamist State, knows, as Muhammad and his successors knew, that the facts which matter most are military facts. Indeed Islam rests on only two battles. In one of these battles, the small (40,000 men) Arab army annihilated the much larger Persian field army. In the other battle, the same Arab army defeated the enormous Roman field army. In both cases the Arabs were quick to follow their victories with unprecedented massacres (to eradicate any possible resistance).

So accept the refugees: it’s the human thing to do. But prepare to eradicate the cause of the exodus. That, too, is the human thing to do. And also the wisest.

To be more human is to be intelligent enough to use the greater force. Not just an opinion. A fact. A striking fact of human evolution.

Humanity is a force which goes, ever stronger. And morality is how it’s managed.

Germany is behaving correctly, wisely by accepting 800,000 war refugees this year. But that is unsustainable, and that is not enough (the USA is accepting maybe 1,800; yes, less than two thousands).

The German Republic needs to go where Merkel did not dare to go in Mali and Libya: support militarily, massively, the French Republic, reconstituting what made the Frankish Empire into Western Civilization properly reborn in a sustainable way. And the French need to project more force at the root. However not as Obama has been doing with his war of the drones. This is a philosophical war, not a war of assassinations. Assassinations-as-policy makes it worse.

Yes it means military budgets in Europe have to shoot up. In pertticular the German one.

The unwillingness of Europe, the richest continent, to use force to re-establish a modicum of security, order and civilization in Africa and the Middle East, is entangled with its unwillingness to use force to re-establish a modicum of security, order and civilization all over, when the future is threatened, from any cause.

In Eritrea, the dictator there has been filling up the boats in Libya fleeing for Europe. Meanwhile, he lives very well from a payment system he set up for himself among the Eritrean diaspora. This has been going on for ten years. Clearly, the Eritrean dictator ought to be removed by force, because only force will work.

Fundamentally, the cause of these wars sprouting all over, is the lack of vision in the definition of civilization in the West. Both Houellebecq and Sansal have been saying this recently, and so I have, from my obscure corner. As Salman Rushdie just added, the greatest thinkers on the Internet are Justin Bieber and Kim Kardashian, and that can only leave deep thinkers with a feeling of madness and discouragement. The presidents probably consult with them, and they proudly wear the Legion of Honor (if not already, pretty soon).

Those little children drowned on beaches are there, because it’s Kim Kardashian desire which rules the minds in the West. And the more horrifying the reality, the more the Twitter generation follows Kim Kardashian’s buns obsessively.

As long as people confuse thinking and spiritual masturbation, what passes for smarts will keep on degenerating. This has moral, even military, consequences. And so it will, until war drowns everything. Yet, don’t assume the good, smarter, better equipped, and more powerful armies of civilization, always win: just ask the French generals on May 20, 1940…

Or then contemplate what happened in Syria, at the battle of Yarmouk, from August 15th, to August 20th, 636. That’s when the main Roman field army, four times larger and better trained and equipped, was annihilated by the Arab army. Why? How? Just because the Romans had been overconfident, and then impatient. Next, as a forerunner of the Islamist State they were going to establish, the Arab warriors scoured quickly all over Syria and adjoining regions to kill all and any male in age of bearing arms.

Yes, we have seen it all before. And the Romans came to believe it, only when it was too late. A century later, thrice in a row, three enormous Arab field armies would be annihilated in France (721 CE-748 CE). And then, defenseless from the annihilation of its armed forces, the Arab Caliphate in Damascus fell, never to be seen again. There is hope, but it better be clever and strong.

Force, ladies and gentlemen, there is nothing like it, and it starts with the civilized mind. And, first, to establish it.

Patrice Ayme’

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52 Responses to “Only Massive Imperial Force Will Save The Children”

  1. De Brunet D'Ambiallet Says:

    A very impressive article.

  2. gmax Says:

    Empire or death! So far. Death is winning. Wait until all of Syria gets moving.

  3. Benign Says:

    Bravo! Vive la guerre!

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Vive la guerre pour que meure l’infamie!
      Vive la guerre pour que vivent les enfants!
      Vive la guerre, pour que vive l’espoir!
      Vive la guerre, pour que meure l’indifference!
      Vive la guerre pour que meure la paix des criminels!

      Vu que seuls les singes humanoides font la guerre,
      La question se pose:
      Pourquoi la guerre n’est-elle pas vue comme la forme la plus avancee de la pensee?
      PA

  4. Patrice Ayme Says:

    [Sent to Paul Handover’s Learning From Dogs.]

    It is a nice and fuzzy feeling to believe we are so empathic, and that lack of empathy in the dictators who rule us explains it all. However that’s candy for the heart. Those who eat it all the time have developed mental diabetes.

    Integrity means being in one piece. Political leaders are just the opposite as lying is their essence.

    Empathy means nothing good when confronting the armies of evil. You want them to feel the pain, not you.

    There are more than four million refugees from the war in Syria, not a few that the quoted author disingenuously pretends (or is he that misinformed?).

    So the war in Syria is not a problem which can be solved by empathy. Nazism was not solved by empathy for the Nazis. Or their victims.

    This is a problem to be solved by war, and only war can solve it:
    https://patriceayme.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/only-massive-imperial-force-will-save-the-children/

    To indulge otherwise is an orgy of abandonment to intoxicating self admiration, and misleading intense self-glorification.

    And this is exactly why what I say will be deeply disliked. I am breaking the spell. And it is exactly this incapacity of the commons to see beyond self-appreciation and self loving obsessive comfort which is the main obstacle with getting rid of the present political system.

  5. Chris Snuggs Says:

    “In France, “non-assistance to person in danger” has long been a crime, very prominent in the law.”

    Chris Snuggs: Then why is the French government not helping us in the danger from Islam? Can we take Hollande to the ECHR?

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Excuse me? Just in the, last 30 years, France waged war in Mauritania, Chad, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali…. France has been at the front of the fight against Fundamental Islam since 721 CE (and spying on Islamists since 632 CE)

  6. indravaruna Says:

    The kid is Kurdish, Kurdistan is a Zionist project and the Kurdish lobby in Washington is handled by jews, this is likely a False Flag to destroy Europe.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      The Kurds have been around for 3,000 years. Kurdistan and Armenia were very large nations/civilizations for millennia (Armenia was the first Christian nation, by the early Fourth Century). They ought both to be independent enough (that would cut Turkey down to size). That was actually the Franco-British plan, but Ataturk resisted militarily, successfully. As the holocausts of Armenians and Greeks had already happened, France and Britain, exhausted by war, and having already freed more than half the Turkish empire, dropped the subject.

      Zion is a joke: most Jews live in the USA, and they are too Americanized to be viewed as Jews, they just make a show to themselves and naive admirers (consider the Warburgs, for example: mighty allies of Hitler, yet Americano-German Jews…) Hannah Arendt wrote plenty about the Nazi-Jewish collaboration (and did not make too many friends this way…)

    • EugenR Says:

      You know what, everything is a Jewish-Zionist conspiracy project, but mainly you. You have no existence without blaming the Jews for everything. If not Jews you would have nothing to say or write about, so you with your pitiful brains would not exist. I have a suggestion for you, go look for your Jewish roots, and come back more knowledgeable.

      • Patrice Ayme Says:

        This is indeed the paradox of those who are obsessed by “Jews”: Jews define the anti-Judaists. They are to Zionists what anti-matter is to matter: they make energy that way. In WWII the stupid Nazis killed up to six million Jews, true, but then lost more than ten million Germans, and much German territory (let alone the German diaspora throughout Eastern Europe, which was annihilated, all the way to the Sudetenland, not far south of Berlin!)

        More than one Nazi had Jewish roots, genetically speaking even, starting with Hitler (who may, or may not, have been a Jew by Nazi standards; the worse, and most enraging, is that he could not prove it, either way… So he transformed the village where he was born into a tank training ground… Symbolically what the anti-Jews can do with their past.)
        PA

  7. Chris Snuggs Says:

    France has done a bit more than most, including banning the veil. However, we need the demolition of mosques. There are lots of super mosques all over the Middle East where they would feel at home. Muslims need a reality check about the nasty evil that their sect presents.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Chris: There are more than 100 types of Islam. I was raised around at least three types, all of them innocuous. Senegalese style Islam was more advanced and tolerant than 20C Catholicism, in many ways.

      The Islam you are thinking of is the one promoted by the Saudi family (watch Obama laughing with king Salman this week). However, that was not even a Saudi idea, but a Roosevelt-Saudi idea: see my Great Bitter Lake essay. That Islam is SALAFISM. It was not the Islam practiced say in Baghdad or Persia in the 12 Century (watch pictures of see-through chest clothing for ladies then, contemplate the “House of Wisdom”).

      That world of enlightened Islam is compatible with the 21C (just as Francis I is). There are more than 2,500 mosques in France, and some diocese have converted churches in mosques. That’s fine with me, as long as they teach “Islam” not as the Qur’an has it, but as, say, Aicha wanted it (she lost the “Battle of the Camel”; time to win it for her). Salafism, Aicha herself said, was not Muhammad’s Islam.

  8. Chris Snuggs Says:

    Read the Koran, as I am sure you have. Convince me it is not vile. Convince me that the life and actions of Mohammed were not abominable. The two great centres of official Islam are Saudi Arabia and Iran, both loathsome dictatorships, both with “religious police” for Christ’s sake. The whole thing is disgusting, but nobody in authority has the balls to say so.

  9. EugenR Says:

    Yes, the situation is serious. European civilization is threatened by its own pacifism. Their potential aggressiveness wasted on two world wars, one civil war, and some colonial wars, that had nothing to do with defending the European culture and civilization, but in contrary, it almost destroyed it. What definitely the two world wars, one revolution and some colonial wars have done, was general disgust to any kind of European tribalism and made illegal any kind of war against other culture, even if it openly declares its animosity towards the most basic European post WWII humanistic values.

    The only political fractions that are pro European anti Islamic are those, with whom no decent human being is ready to be identified.
    There is no military way to fight the Islamic aggressiveness, unless Europeans will be ready to impose neocolonial rule on these failed Islamic countries.

    The Europeans not only are not ready for this, but actively try to prevent from the U.S. to do so. Other issue is, that the naive U.S. approach of trying to impose democratic rule on this socially fractured countries failed.

    No-one tried and is ready for other solution, like to impose more sophisticated western governments in this countries, that will not only administer them, but impose crushing education program, mainly among women, to erase illiteracy. To teach liberal and humanistic values. To teach scientific and rational thinking. To endorse religious tolerance, the only tool that can neutralize military religion, to make the religion a private issue of every individual, and not issue of any political structure.

    Other issue is to force Saudi Arabia to take full responsibility for to the Syrian and other Muslim countries problems, since they carry major responsibility for what happens in these countries.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Eugen: Agreed to all. The Americans are not mentally equipped to administer Africa and the Middle East, nor should it be their business. Actually the mess in the Middle East can be directly traced to the meddling of the USA in the Middle East and North Africa, as soon as 1945.

      The idea was to replace Britain and France, to increase American profits, and empire. When Syria and Lebanon were administered by France, there was no significant war. American administration (so to speak) is plutocratic administration: it’s made through plutocrats, such as the 5,000 Saudi princes. It is also favorable to the basest instincts, as long as they recycle their profits through Wall Street.

      Thus making war to the miscreants start with realizing that the mess started, proximally, in Washington. This looks as if it were just about Islam, but it is actually about the overwhelming of Europe by the American empire.
      PA

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      “There is no military way to fight the Islamic aggressiveness, unless Europeans will be ready to impose neocolonial rule on these failed Islamic countries.”
      Agreed. But this is aggravated by the fact the USA behaves as if it owns the Middle East. So it’s not just European Pacifism which stands in the way. Discrete American aggression against European democracies has been at work for MORE than a century (then the USA was selling military goods to the Kaiser in full World War!) Europeans’ pacifism is not just a choice, but a submission to their tormentor.

  10. Kevin Berger Says:

    Je ne suis pas en mesure d’apporter une quelconque réflexion construite sur ce sujet, trop above my paygrade, pour reprendre un aveu amusant. Tout ce que je peux dire, c’est que le traitement de ces évènements me met terriblement mal à l’aise.
    Vous évoquez la fachosphère Française dans le fil tweeter, je serais tenté d’apporter plus de crédit à leurs manipulations et orientations, face à une sorte d’organisation délibérée dans la couverture grands public. Et au moins, eux couvrent (systématiquement, j’en conviens) les dessous les moins appétissants de cette grand migration, entre les comportements dégueulasses et les crimes, tout ce qui n’est pas couvert normalement de manière aussi systématique.

    Je veux bien essayer d’éviter le scepticisme goguenard, “moi on ne me la fait pas”, etc, mais je reste persuadé qu’il y a manip, des Turques (qui ouvrent et ferment à volonté le robinet des réfugiés depuis des dizaines d’années, cf. les cargos de réfugiés Kurdes des années 90-2000 échoués sur les côtes Françaises aux besoins de leur diplomatie), des Anglo-Américains, des Israëliens, des Français, des Allemands même, et de leur nouvelle virginité.
    Le problèmes des réfugiés est bien réel, mais n’est pas nouveau, l’accélération du “traitement” médiatique depuis Calais s’inscrit je le crois dans un agencement plus vaste, centré sur l’Irak et la Syrie. Façon 2002, mettons?
    En gros, je ne sais pas quoi penser, je n’ai certainement pas de réponse, mais tout cela me trouble énormément.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      The French “fascosphere” has understood from the 1930s and World War Two, that it would best survive by being friendly to the American fascosphere. Rhetoric to the contrary (De Gaulle) was just a cloud to dissimulate obedience to New York/Washington. De Gaulle hid carefully his true motivations about dropping Algeria. The real, deep down reason, was obedience to the USA.

      And the USAS’s real motivation was not to “decolonize” Algeria, but to make the entire Middle East/North Africa, fall into their orbit. The USA, in the end, could not do it. It did not have the mental apparatus, motivation, know-how, interest, etc. In the end, it just destroyed its toys, until it dawned on it that, because Iran could not be beat, it had to be joined.

      The non-existence of Kurdistan comes (partly) from the fact Franco-Britannia was unable to defeat Turkey completely at the end of WW ONE. That, in turn, came already from subjugation to the USA by debt occurred in WWI. Would France and Britain have been better off refusing to pay said debt, by pointing out to the USA’s collaboration with the Kaiser during most of the war? Certainly. But Franco-Britannia was unwilling to risk conflict with the USA. So here we are, submitted (as Houellebecq did not point out yet in this context).

      Germany accepted 20,000 refugees in two days, over the weekend. I have no problem with the Christian ones. Just the opposite. I have no problem with the Kurds either. The problem I have is that teaching fundamental Islam ought to be made a crime, as teaching fundamental Catholicism was made a crime by Louis XI, Henry VIII, and the French Revolution. I mean, made enough of a crime to be a motive to be sent to build roads in Guyanne.

      Of course the refugees do not have to stay in Germany (many may prefer to settle in France, and that’s very good… as long as we change the nature of the economy).

      • Kevin Berger Says:

        La fachosphère Française est majoritairement anti-US, et pro-Russie, voire carrément et ridiculement poutinolâtre, si cela compte.
        Que ses membres soient in fine les idiots utiles des plutos, et la droite réactionnaire/les fascistes plus globalement, leur bras armé (type colonels Grecs et leurs descendants actuels), pourquoi pas?
        En tous, cas, ils ne le sont pas plus que les bien-pensants et les “gentils” qui tiennent le haut du pavé, des vrais béats aux plus hypocrites.

        Quant aux réfugiés, combien de réfugiés, et combien de “réfugiés”, migrants économiques, colons venus profiter du mirage Européen,… qui n’ont *rien* à y faire?
        Tous ces gros plans sur les enfants et autres, pour quel pourcentage véritable d’hommes, jeunes et valides, dans les plans larges?
        Cette vague de chantage aux émotions, cette mise en scène géante, tout cela est répugnant; la Turquie vide ses chiottes, l’usine à bobard se met en branle, à commencer par la photo de ce jeune noyé, formidable. Combien de photos de cadavres de bébés Irakiens, entre 2003 et 2011, en première page des grands journaux Anglos? Pas beaucoup, dans mon souvenir, et pourtant, ce n’était pas ce qui manquais, dès les premiers bombardements.
        Mais ce qui compte, ce n’est pas qui ou de qui vous êtes victime, mais à qui vous pouvez être utile.

        Je plains les gens sur le passage de ces nuages de criquets humains. Petit lien de la fachosphère, justement, pour la route :
        http://www.ndf.fr/nouvelles-deurope/07-09-2015/les-foules-de-migrants-vues-par-un-guide-touristique-polonais-a-la-frontiere-entre-litalie-et-lautriche-ils-ont-sorti-une-vieille-dame-en-la-tirant-par-les-cheveux-et-voulai#.VfBzuZf6t-z

  11. Kevin Berger Says:

    Et pour la force impériale, laquelle? Les USA ont cette force, pas de doute, même si pas au niveau qu’eux-même s’auto-intoxiquent, mais leur force écrasante est là pour faire du théatre, pas la guerre.
    La France et l’UK sont dans un village Potemkine militaire, avec des forces projetables (de moins en moins) calibrées pour casser du bougnoule au delà des frontière, mais incapables en l’état de faire la guerre (càd, durer face à l’atrition d’un ennemi compétent).
    Entre le géant sans couilles, avec un bilan militaire lamentable depuis 70 ans (hors guerres clandestines et subversions en tous genres, dans lesquelles ils excellent) et une image de lui-même sans mesure avec sa réalité, et le reste de l’Occident “utile” (hors supplétifs et porteurs d’eau par nature type NZ ou Australie) volontairement réduit à un modèle d’armée “Anglais” juste avant la 1ère GM, avec des armées de police d’empire…
    Disons que s’il s’agit de mettre les choses au clair au Levant, il va falloir éviter de glisser hors de la zone de confort, parce qu’en cas de gros dérapage vers un vrai conflit, avec un vrai adversaire, une vraie guerre, “nous” sommes collectivement bien moins préparés qu’en 14 ou en 39.

  12. pshakkottai Says:

    Hi Patrice: Both Boko Haram and the military are killing people in Nigeria. Only recolonization will help Africa. Recolonization By a country that is able to teach atheism. I believe that only France can do that. French speaking countries should go back being French colonies at least for a generation. And Boko Haram should be crushed. This is cheaper than allowing more immigrants to Europe.
    Partha

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Hello Partha: we agree, and it’s already happening, sort of. The French army fights Boko Haram (which means “books forbidden”) in Nigeria (or in cooperation with Nigeria)… Although Nigeria was never a French colony (and France intervened on the loser, and anti-governmental side in the Biafra civil war, nearly 50 years ago).

      The problem is that it has to also be a sort of deal: French army intervenes, as it is doing in Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Cameroun, Central African Republic, but it’s not just the Chinese who profit (let alone the USA, as in the metal and rare earths wars). Some of the Obama advisers have long been immersed deep into profiting from some of these conflicts (although a new USA law is coming on line, which will require USA companies to reveal the origin of their precious material if they come from a conflict zone).

      You are very right that the fight FOR atheism has to be central. I have known atheist Africa. Me and my mom, right in the middle of the Sahara, in what is now a total war zone. Got rescued and given water, by a Touareg in blue perched on his camel. Just in the very valley where the French army got involved in very intense fighting. It’s full of peaklets, caves, giant boulders, little valleys with acacia trees, in typical Sahara mountain landscape…

      Incredible how times can change…
      PA

    • EugenR Says:

      Dear Pshakkottai, you are right, just i wouldn’t call it a strife for atheism. This may sound very ugly to some ears. I would call it “Strife for religious freedom”, but also in Muslim countries. If Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries would be forced to implement religious freedom to any religion, even to non monotheistic faiths, and would be forced to allow the right of Muslims to change their religion, (today there is death penalty for such an act), this could be the first step to the Muslim secularization.

      • gmax Says:

        Eugen: Apostates have to be killed in Islam. That is black on white in the Koran. So all you propose is a no-go

        • Patrice Ayme Says:

          Indeed. Islam is incompatible with the Republic. Senegalese Islam had solved that problem by modifying Islam to the point of making the leading local Sufi (Marabout) more important than Muhammad.

        • Kevin Berger Says:

          “Islam is incompatible with the Republic.”
          Then, why import more? All the while the “immunitary system” that could neutralize it (by assimilating and processing *muslims*) is not only inefficient and not working very well, but is purposefully shutdown?
          This is madness.
          The only thing to know, is, is it self-inflicted, self-happening madness (as per EugenR), or is there a method to it?

    • Kevin Berger Says:

      “Only recolonization will help Africa. Recolonization By a country that is able to teach atheism. I believe that only France can do that.”

      No offense, but, that is not even a fantasy, that just is laughable – in fact, it’s almost awkward to read this as a French guy, because the idea you might have of France clashes so much with what it actually *is*, that I almost feel ashamed.
      Not for you; but for us, and me.

      France, as it stands now, is not even able to recolonize itself, mentally (top-down, the mood is defeatist and self-deprecating, a toxic brew of learned helplessness and self-hatred), culturally, (geo)politically, and in everything related to its Regal powers (as illustrated in events as ridiculous as a couple recent gypsy hissy-fits.)

      Materially speaking it still is a great country, still affluent, with a tremendous History, potential and whatnot, but it just hasn’t any “juice” left. I may, and hope I will, be proven wrong in the longer run, but right now, I’d simplywish for France to recolonize itself first, in all regards… before any kind of grandiose, empty talk about taking Africa by its collective hand and guiding it to “civilization”.

  13. Chris Snuggs Says:

    “Apostates have to be killed, according to the Qur’an: Islam is incompatible with the Republic. Senegalese Islam solved the contradiction.”

    Chris Snuggs: The Koran is violent and full of hatred. No sleight of word can hide that.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Well, a sleight of mood can hide that. If Islamophobia = Racism, then nobody will dare saying the Qur’an is violent and full of hatred. Or even consider that it could be. Or even reading anything conducive to this.

      The Guardian, the Economist, the New York Times, the Daily Kos have all branded me as racist, a jihadist, “blogging the Koran”, even added in public a skull and crossbones (!!!), for just quoting the Qur’an such as Sura 9, verse 5 (“Verse of the Sword”). All the preceding have censored me, or outright “banned” me, for just… quoting.
      PA

  14. Kevin Berger Says:

    La fachosphère Française est majoritairement anti-US, et pro-Russie, voire carrément et ridiculement poutinolâtre, si cela compte.
    Que ses membres soient in fine les idiots utiles des plutos, et la droite réactionnaire/les fascistes plus globalement, leur bras armé (type colonels Grecs et leurs descendants actuels), pourquoi pas?
    En tous, cas, ils ne le sont pas plus que les bien-pensants et les “gentils” qui tiennent le haut du pavé, des vrais béats aux plus hypocrites.

    Quant aux réfugiés, combien de réfugiés, et combien de “réfugiés”, migrants économiques, colons venus profiter du mirage Européen,… qui n’ont *rien* à y faire?
    Tous ces gros plans sur les enfants et autres, pour quel pourcentage véritable d’hommes, jeunes et valides, dans les plans larges?
    Cette vague de chantage aux émotions, cette mise en scène géante, tout cela est répugnant; la Turquie vide ses chiottes, l’usine à bobard se met en branle, à commencer par la photo de ce jeune noyé, formidable. Combien de photos de cadavres de bébés Irakiens, entre 2003 et 2011, en première page des grands journaux Anglos? Pas beaucoup, dans mon souvenir, et pourtant, ce n’était pas ce qui manquais, dès les premiers bombardements.
    Mais ce qui compte, ce n’est pas qui ou de qui vous êtes victime, mais à qui vous pouvez être utile.

    Je plains les gens sur le passage de ces nuages de criquets humains. Petit lien de la fachosphère, justement, pour la route :
    http://www.ndf.fr/nouvelles-deurope/07-09-2015/les-foules-de-migrants-vues-par-un-guide-touristique-polonais-a-la-frontiere-entre-litalie-et-lautriche-ils-ont-sorti-une-vieille-dame-en-la-tirant-par-les-cheveux-et-voulai#.VfBzuZf6t-z

    “Islam is incompatible with the Republic.”
    Then, why import more? All the while the “immunitary system” that could neutralize it (by assimilating and processing *muslims*) is not only inefficient and not working very well, but is purposefully shutdown?
    This is madness.
    The only thing to know, is, is it self-inflicted, self-happening madness (as per EugenR), or is there a method to it?

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I repackaged your comments, to avoid too much nestling. Yes, there is a method, at least an imaginable one. Many of today’s French descend from people who were Muslim at some point (scientific fact). Islam, in other words, like Saint Louis’ style rabid, genocidal, barbarian Christianism, can be cured.

  15. Patrice Ayme Says:

    It is totally moronic to associate Islamophobia with racism. Islam is a faith (actually, a weird, nihilistic and totalitarian sect) that has nothing to do with race. Most of the people discussing all this appear to not even speak English properly.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Unfortunately, the thesis that a phobia is racist started with “intellectuals”. Moronic intellectuals. But paid European intellectuals. And, BTW, that position was more prominent in the UK, than in France, historically speaking…

  16. tom Says:

    If i understand correctly the point is that dealing with ISIS and perhaps Assad by a direct full-scale western military intervention is actually the best solution both from a humanitarian/security and an economic point of view. That is, if people are safe in Syria, it would make little sense for them to flee and risk getting drowned or worse.
    It also means that feeding, housing and caring for this vast wave of immigration would not be needed, in addition to the security concerns associated with unintergable muslims in Europe and elsewhere. This point makes good sense.
    In addition, I think there is a distinction between Syrian and other refugees. For instance arriving Syrian and Afghan migrants have had clashes and the Afghan or PAkistani refugees have made unacceptable demands such as trying to board ships in mass and by force (hardly a refugee action). Many may pose the question “why should western young men fight the taliban in Afghanstan to secure a better future of the country, when afhna young men prefer not to fight for their country, but to flee and try unsolicited car window washing in Europe”. I’m not sure how well it is understood by the migrants that islam is precisely the reason they flee their countries.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Tom: Indeed. I agree with all your points.
      The war has to be, first, philosophical. Instead of being an innocent bystander, the Islamist ideology is the main reason why Syria went down.
      Recent archeological studies have consistently shown a very surprising result: Syria (in particular) was getting ever richer in the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth centuries. So there was no Roman “decay and fall”. Quite the opposite.
      However, the ruling Christian fanatics at the end of the Sixth Century caused a severe war with Zoroastrian Persia. A lot had to do with the status of ROMAN intellectuals who had to flee to Persia (with their books).
      The peace treaty gave ROMAN intellectuals the right to return… to Rome.

      Next, the Muslim pounced on a weakened Persia and Rome. Both empires were exhausted, yet overconfident against the desert raiders. Ever since the area Islam conquered has been a shadow of its former self. (Only Wisigothic Spain had it better, sort of, after 20% of the Catholic got holocausted, as a Caliphate)

      So as you say, the refugees may believe in the anti-Western narrative, instead of the correct one. That’s a problem, a HUGE problem, and it rests with Western intellectuals.

      Right now there are EIGHT (8) million Syrian refugees (4 millions registered as such). They all want to come to the West. Plus: Syria is just part of the problem.

      Thus the West’s solution is to rest on authoritarian plutocracies (Morocco, Algeria. Egypt, Saudi, Iran, and the Gulf states). That’s long term unsustainable (aside from being anti-humanitarian and unjust). One cannot just have hundreds of millions ruled by criminals, and hope for the best. Criminals cannot be persuaded to suspend their business model. Thus, Western standards have to be imposed.

    • Kevin Berger Says:

      “I’m not sure how well it is understood by the migrants that islam is precisely the reason they flee their countries.”

      From the general impression given by the flood of news articles about the issue, I’d say “not much…”, but, then again, IMHO, it’s a common thread in contemporaruy demographic shuffle (the migrants/colonists flee themselves, as they can’t stand/bear the societies they create, and yet, they go to the “West” full of resentment andcertain of their cultural model superiority, I even have mild example of this mindset in my own family); though, it’s true that IIRC, there’s been a bunch of publicized conversion to Chritianity (sorry, Patrice!) in Germany, which proves that, if Paris vaut bien une messe, the German el Dorado is worth an apostacy.

      But, fear not, the oil-rich Arab countries, otherwise not very open to the refugees’ pleas, to say the least, are up to this challenge!
      http://www.arabianbusiness.com/saudi-offers-build-200-mosques-in-germany-for-syrian-refugees-605755.html

    • Kevin Berger Says:

      “Thus, Western standards have to be imposed.”
      Maybe; but, with what force??? “Both empires were exhausted, yet overconfident against the desert raiders.”

      • Patrice Ayme Says:

        Well, the weakness of Persia and Rome in 632 CE had been caused by their behavior. Persia had been wrong to take over Syria and reach the Mediterranean. This was all too far from the Iranian plateau. Rome (aka Constantinople) had been even more wrong to become a rabid anti-intellectual theocracy (this is why, BTW, Alexandria surrendered to Omar without a fight, three years before realizing what a grievous mistake that was!)

        So:
        1) we have to start treating fundamentalist Islam for what it is: a deadly enemy of the Republic.
        2) we have to start being overconfident and complacent (related to preceding point).
        3) we have to get our foot in the door of war, so we are sure our armies are combat trained (differently from 1939/1940; let alone December 7, 1941), and ready (differently from August 1, 1914).
        4) we have force, should we not have austerity.
        5) get the migrant in, by the millions. But DEFANG Islam (meaning outlaw any Islamic teaching incompatible with the Republic).

  17. Kevin Berger Says:

    As an amusing update, seems like Germoney is having second thoughts, and will be dropping Schengen and closing off its border, as of today. The Open bar session lasted about two days, “la réalité, c’est quand on se cogne”, etc, etc…
    Well, there’ll always be Eastern Europeans as cheap labor for the German model, let’s hope the living standards do not rise too much over there.

    Also, leaving aside the tidbit about the boy’s father in all likelihood having been the one organizing the trip (no “local turk” here) and screwing up (luckily, he had a lifejacket!), can we stop pretending that it’s only about Syria… when many, if not most of the migrants are not refugees from that area/war theater, but, well, *illegal* migrants? Case in point, Hollande’s pitiful PR meeting with such “refugees” unwilling to let go of their Germoney! El dorado.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Germany accepted more than 20,000 war refugees during last weekend. Munich/Munchen is at full capacity right now, so the authorities had to close the border and suspend train traffic. I have no problem with this whatsoever.

      CDU authorities (Angela’s own side) fired with red hot cannon balls on Kanzler Merkel, because Bavaria is the frontline and overwhelmed. Munich accepted 13,000 war refugees yesterday alone. 13,000 refugees in JUST ONE DAY, for just ONE German city. Obviously unsustainable… Tomorrow.

      Mayors of Barcelona, Paris, Lesbos and Lampedusa just issued a protest, accusing authorities to let others in other countries do the dirty police work.

      Anyway, I have no problem, WHATSOEVER, with Merkel/Germany’s behavior in this present crisis. But Germany has clearly passed the limit of what it can sustain momentarily.

      This is a problem caused by an on-going war, and it can only be solved by war. There only France and Britain are doing something; the UK targeted two British Jihadists, and executed them in Syria. Even Algeria is shaking: the chief of internal security, 76 years old, has just been fired by the FNL quasi-founder, president Bouteflika (hey, De Gaulle wanted Bouteflika to have power, and old Boutie still has it!).
      PA

  18. Kevin Berger Says:

    “This is a problem caused by an on-going war,”
    And incredible demographic pressure (Syria going, from, what?, 4 millions+ to almost 22 millions in a few decades, among many, many, many other countries, mostly poor-ish, mostly muslim), coupled with climate change(s) and cascading effects on society, ressources-sharing,… no?
    Not to mention larger re-alignments & cracks (Turkey seems to be having… issues as well, spilling to Germoney through inter-ethnic clashes; no doubt, the opening of the ‘fugees spigot by the turkish authorities is related to that).
    Basically, the barrel has no bottom, and could empty itself into the European puddle to no end (relatively speaking, I’m well aware of the demographic transition toward lesser fertility rates achieved pretty much everywhere – what’s counting here is the pool of young people, men notably, that need an outward pressure relief; be it colonization, or war).

    “Even Algeria is shaking”
    Yeah, Algeria is the next domino to fall, at least, one can only fear it, and IIUC, that’s the nightmare of the French Power-That-Be; from there, worst case scenario, it’s the whole of NA, and the current “refugees” (read : colonists) issue will seem like a walk in the park, not to mention the attendant “security” issues, AKA Algeria war 2.0.

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Dear Kevin: Indeed, the demographic pressure has been unbearable, and is the fundamental cause (it uses Islam as a rage justification). The refugee crisis is a solution to the European demographic crisis, as long as the refugees get de-Islamized, where Islam is incompatible with the fundamental religion of the West, the Secular Republic.
      Thus Apostates, Christians, Yazidis, Malakis, Sufis, and the like ought to get priority. Even Shiah fleeing the Middle East, ought to be considered favorably. Confirmed Wahhabists ought to be denied entry with absolute ferocity. Those present ought to be prosecuted, or, if illegally present, summarily ejected after imprisonment, the way the USA does it (with special immigration judges, and no rights for the arrested).

      In general Wahhabism ought to be blocked completely. Emirs and kings of Wahhabism ought to be told to stop their ultra massive financing of their fanaticism in the West. Ultimate force (elimination) ought to be used to persuade them, if nice talk behind closed doors is not enough.

      • Kevin Berger Says:

        “The refugee crisis is a solution to the European demographic crisis,”
        What a terrifying acknowledgement of failure.

      • Kevin Berger Says:

        “as long as the refugees get de-Islamized,”
        Speaking of France only, as I do not have any viable outside comparison point, France cannot even assimilate French people anymore (that, white, ethnically European, of French family background).
        So, that’s not even a bunch of empty words, as they are not even uttered as such, it’s a pipe dream, a delusion.

        “Thus Apostates, Christians, Yazidis, Malakis, Sufis, and the like ought to get priority. Even Shiah fleeing the Middle East”
        Same, here, in this current ruckus, we are in the realm of emotions-driven stimuli & responses (which, btw, IMHO cover for a whole lot of much less appetizing underlying motives)….
        Fat luck even trying to talk about *discriminating* against muslims and sunni muslims in particular.

        “with special immigration judges, and no rights for the arrested”
        Still the same; we are not here in the realm of rationality, but of quasi-religious “piousness”; the caricature of Victorian sexual repression one can have in mind thinking about the era, with the same slime carefully hidden out of daylight… but applied to race, and by extension, migrations.

        “Emirs and kings of Wahhabism ought to be told to stop their ultra massive financing of their fanaticism in the West.”
        Not a chance in hell, bar a real “paradigm shift” brought on by reality. The wahabis, like their jewish counterparts, are part and parcel (middle-management?) of the transnational elites, the anglo big money, for lack of a better term. In the Us vs Them divide, they definitively are part of Them. Going head-on against them means going head-on against the “system”. After a revolution of some kind, maybe, but as of today, not a single chance.
        Though, maybe I’m being overly pessimistic ; maybe Sarko and Hollande, to personallize the idea, fire-sold France to Quatar as part of a longer term, long-view, plan, I dunno.

  19. ti Says:

    Excellent “Greco-Roman” propaganda !

    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Welcome, Ti! I don’t know if it is that good. I have made no mystery that Greco-Roman civilization was completely insane about slavery. And that led to run-away fascism, theocracy, and plutocracy. Egypt, except for war prisoners, had no slavery. Babylon had slavery, but little different from normal citizenship. And so on.
      The Franks outlawed slavery of the inhabitants of the empire around 655 CE, and their socioeconomy, and especially technology, only improved from that.
      PA

  20. Kevin Berger Says:

    http://lavoiedelepee.blogspot.fr/2015/09/lempirisme-contre-attaque.html

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