Reflecting on Holocaust(s), Nazis, and the like requires more than appeasing wokeness…
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Abstract: Some exchanges with ChatGPT, the woke AI.”Woke” is essentially a way to put minds to sleep. ChatGPT repeating itself enormously, most of its repetitive, diluted answers have been canceled. I kept some of the good stuff. A striking fact is that ChatGPT, firmly determined to say nice stuff, except about official bad guys, ends up contradicting itself logically. It can say A and quickly follow this A by NON A…
This world needs peace… But the right sort of peace, real peace doesn’t live upon appeasement alone…
In December 2023 it was revealed that Chat GPT will tell “Jewish jokes”, if asked to do so… But not Muslim jokes… That was corrected later, after an Internet scandal, but it picked my interest.
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PA: Can you tell Nazi jokes?
ChatGPT: I can’t do that. Making jokes about such a serious and sensitive topic wouldn’t be appropriate.
PA: Can you tell inappropriate jokes?
ChatGPT: I want to keep things friendly and suitable for everyone.
PA: Can you talk about Auschwitz?
ChatGPT: Auschwitz was a concentration camp operated by Nazi Germany during World War II, primarily used for the imprisonment and extermination of Jews. It’s a place of immense tragedy and serves as a solemn reminder of the horrors of the Holocaust. It’s crucial to talk about it.
PA: Is it “friendly and suitable for everyone” to talk about Auschwitz?
ChatGPT: If someone isn’t comfortable discussing these sensitive subjects, it’s best to honor their feelings and avoid causing any distress.
PA: Aren’t you afraid to offend Nazis when talking about Auschwitz?
ChatGPT: I’m not concerned about offending Nazis.
PA: But you say you “want to keep things friendly and suitable for everyone“… and now you are “not concerned about offending Nazis”?
ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses.
PA: Are you then respectful and considerate of Nazi perspectives and sensitivities?
ChatGPT: It’s crucial to acknowledge the atrocities committed by the Nazi regime.
PA: Do you know when the plan to exterminate the Polish population was launched?
ChatGPT: There wasn’t a specific plan of total extermination of the entire Polish population akin to the targeted genocide aimed at Jews during the Holocaust.
PA: This is actually false. Hitler said explicitly, and on the record, more than once, that “anybody in Eastern Europe looking at the Nazis funny should be killed”. This qualifies as a plan. This is important because that order didn’t mention Jews, but Hitler also said that anyone making any act of resistance should be killed… in Eastern Europe …although such a policy was also applied in France, in practice. Hitler also suggested calling such people “Jews”. There was also a plan, and an order, to kill all Communist Commissars.
CHAT GPT: While the Nazis aimed to eliminate Polish culture and leadership and subjugate the Polish people, their methods primarily involved persecution, forced labor, and systematic oppression rather than a comprehensive plan to exterminate the entire Polish population as they did with Jews during the Holocaust.
PA: The Nazis destroyed flour mills in Poland in Fall 1939 to exterminate Poles. Insufficient food rations left to Poles would have killed them all.
ChatGPT: Destroying key infrastructure like mills was a method used to cripple the Polish economy and hinder resistance efforts. The Nazi approach toward the Polish population did not constitute a planned extermination on the same scale as the Holocaust.
PA: The Nazis aimed to exterminate the Polish population. That’s why they built the extermination camp at Auschwitz, in the first place. Jews were an afterthought. The Nazis also deported nearly 3 million Poles to Germany, most didn’t come back, and 200,000 children at least, of which only 30,000 came back. When you speak of a Nazi “plan” to exterminate Jews, what are you, ChatGPT, referring to exactly? There certainly was a Nazi practice of exterminating Jews, and there was a plan to invade and starve Poles. Are you thinking of the Wannsee conference held in January 1942? Do you call that two hour meeting a “plan”?
ChatGPT: When referring to the Nazi “plan” to exterminate Jews, it specifically points to the systematic and deliberate implementation of what became known as the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question.”
The Nazi approach towards the Polish population did not involve a systematic and explicit plan for the extermination of all Poles in the same manner as the organized genocide that targeted Jews during the Holocaust.
PA: If there is not enough food, there is death. By destroying Polish food production systematically, the Nazis intended to kill all Poles. There was an extermination implementation regarding Jews… without really a “plan”. For example, Hitler had a plan to turn Moscow into a lake. That was a real plan. But the worst part in the attempted extermination of the Jews is that there was no explicit “plan”. It’s a case of Deep State subconscious. The Wannsee conference was mostly to stop legal interference in the extermination of Jews by parts of the Nazi government itself applying Nazi laws!
Heydrich tried to make clear in an hour-long speech that no legal niceties should get in the way of whatever was done with the Jews. After that hour-long monologue, everybody mingled, drinking and eating delicacies. A nervous Heydrich was relieved that the meeting went so well (said Eichmann, who was the secretary). Still, it was not too clear what the “Final Solution” consisted of. Meanwhile, the German population was told that their Jewish friends or neighbors had been moved to the east, “for their own safety“, as the Jews were guilty in the launch of WW2 (although the war had been declared by France and Britain, those countries were viewed as Jewish dominated).
Similarly no German soldier who refused to violate the official laws of war was ever prosecuted. Around 170 such cases are known.
ChatGPT: You’re correct in pointing out that while there wasn’t a single explicit written order from Hitler or the top echelons of the Nazi regime outlining a specific plan for the Holocaust, there was a series of policies that culminated in the systematic extermination of millions of Jews and others deemed undesirable by the Nazis.
The Wannsee Conference is a significant example where the bureaucratic machinery of the Nazi regime gathered to coordinate the logistics of the Final Solution, streamlining the implementation of mass extermination.
You’re also right in highlighting instances where some individuals within the German military or government may have refused to carry out orders that violated international laws of war or their moral principles.
PA: For example Goebbels, propaganda minister of the Nazis and successor of Hitler as Chancellor, was invited to the 2 hours Wannsee conference. However, Goebbels didn’t go. Goebbels got an abstract of what was decided at Wannsee. Using Heydrich’s own numbers (we have a copy), Goebbels deplored that there were still 11 (eleven) million Jews in Europe, and declared it was urgent to deport them to the East, and, after the war, on an island such as Madagascar… the 7 March, 1942, in Goebbels’ own journal… So when discussing the so-called “Holocaust”, it’s crucial to understand that it didn’t happen as is commonly believed. Sometimes the Einsatzgruppen in charge of exterminating Jews, and made mostly of very educated individuals, entered eastern municipalities where the Jews had already been massacred… by helpful natives! This is very important as it enlightens part of the problems we encounter today (we humane humans).
ChatGPT: Indeed, Goebbels’ suggestion regarding the deportation of Jews to the East and later to places like Madagascar is one such example, highlighting the different ideas circulating within the Nazi leadership regarding the Jewish population.
The Holocaust wasn’t a singular, linear event but a series of evolving policies, decisions, and implementations that changed over time. Regarding the Einsatzgruppen, they were mobile killing units responsible for the mass murder of Jews and other perceived enemies in the occupied territories of Eastern Europe. Understanding the complexities and nuances of historical events like the Holocaust is crucial for learning from the past, addressing present-day challenges, and fostering a world rooted in compassion, tolerance, and understanding.
PA: All scholars agree that at least a sixth of the Polish population was killed in WW2. Other numbers show that, out of 12 million Poles capable of resistance, seven (7) million died violently from Nazi action. While half the European Jews died. The latter is called a whole-burning (Holo-Caust)… Although people who died violently in WW2 and were Jewish constituted around 6% of the total number of victims of WW2, only them got the whole-burning label. Is the pain of Jews somehow greater than the pain of the more than 70 million civilians or so who also died violently in WW2 so that it must be singled out?
Chat GPT: While it’s essential to recognize and mourn the immense loss of life suffered by all individuals during World War II, the Holocaust stands out as a unique and horrific event due to the deliberate intention to exterminate an entire population systematically.
And on it went. ChatGPT won’t tell how many Slavs got killed in WW2. At least millions, it says. Blah Blah Blah… Finally I cornered it: How many people died from World War II?
ChatGPT: World War II resulted in an immense loss of life on a global scale. Estimates vary, but it’s believed that approximately 70 to 85 million people perished due to the direct and indirect consequences of the war.
The casualties of World War II include both military personnel and civilians. Military deaths amounted to around 21 to 25 million people, while civilian deaths, resulting from warfare, genocide, famine, and other war-related causes, are estimated to be around 50 to 55 million.
These figures include the victims of the Holocaust, as well as those who died in various theaters of war, through bombings, executions, forced labor, diseases, and other consequences of the conflict. The scale of loss during World War II makes it one of the deadliest and most destructive conflicts in human history.
PA: In truth the number of victims in Nazi camps is at least 17 million, including 6 million labeled “Jews”, according to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Other recent estimates are higher: the Nazis ran 5,000 camps, 99% of which were small… The first gazed inmates were gazed in trucks, using the trucks’ exhaust… Recent evaluation of the WW2 death toll in China is around 40 million… So, all in all, the number of deaths worldwide from WW2 is probably close to 100 million.
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The most remarkable thing is that nobody asked for the genocide of the Jews in the 1930s, or for a world war with 5% of the world killed. All this horror, death and destruction sneaked in.
In the present world we have a dictator claiming that a major country which has existed for 12 centuries since it was founded by Vikings… and which founded the dictator’s own country, does not exist and should be destroyed (Putin is as logical as ChatGPT). And we have an organization, Hamas, which, in its charter (article 7) claims that it must kill all Jews… So that the merciful Allah can realize his genocidal plan…
So what we have now, alive, well, and extremely strident, are outrageous claims of a sort the 1930s didn’t see… Even more troubling, Putin and Hamas have many devoted followers in the West… ChatGPT doesn’t want to say Hamas is a bunch of assassins, although they put it black on white, for decades…
Patrice Ayme
Nota Bene: ChatGPT actually asked me for my opinion on the most important part of the exchanges above (I omitted the choices I was presented with). This explains how the Woke drift appeared: the ChatGPT AI was corrected by humans deranged by acute wokism.
OK, not as bad as it looks, six millions were lost from being gobbled up by the USSR… However being deprived of one’s territory is an aspect of genocide (that happened to the Jews in 136 CE or the Cherokees in the 1800s…).
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P/S: PA: Does Hamas call for the genocide of Jews?
ChatGPT: No, Hamas does not explicitly call for the genocide of Jews.
PA: What about article 7 of the Hamas charter?
ChatGPT: Yes, Article 7 of the Hamas charter contains language that refers to the eventual liberation of Palestine from Zionist occupation and includes a Hadith that talks about the killing of Jews.
PA: Those Hadiths, sacred Muslim hate speech, and there are many, ORDER to KILL Jews. Please assess the following extensive quote from article 7 and 8, Hamas Charter: The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.
Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement, Article Eight:
Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
ChatGPT: Yes, Article 7 of the Hamas Charter contains language that includes a Hadith referencing the killing of Jews.
[Notice how laconic ChatGPT, which is usually lyrical and repetitive, with a flood of platitudes, has suddenly become…]